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Falx
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 01:20 |
People who love "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway". I swear, the more I listen to it the worse it sounds. I love Nursery Cryme, though.
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friso
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:15 |
Falx wrote:
People who love "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway". I swear, the more I listen to it the worse it sounds. I love Nursery Cryme, though.=F=
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So true!
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friso
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:22 |
I'm having hard times to understand:
- People who don't get very bored while listeneing to Dark Side of the Moon. I don't have a single prog album that bores me more.
- People who still get satisfied with that anti-inventive new sympho or neo release that sounds just like bla bla bla.
- People that will rate any Genesis higher then way better Itialian prog album. BTW, I do think Genesis musicians weren't that good, otherwise they would have had at least ONE proper recording in the studio. Their best recording to date was on Trespass, because the drums are way more articulated.
But hey... that's says more about me then it does about others.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:35 |
I'm not a Prog Fan so I don't have this problem. Actually my problem on this board is the "Prog Fans". Also,
Logan wrote:
Seriously, hypothetically-speaking, I would be peeved by those who claim to know the boundaries of progressive rock and those who believe in a simple prog/ non-prog dichotomy and don't recognise that there are fuzzy edges (very nebulous), appreciate different perspectives, attitudes and definitions, and don't recognise that there are degrees of prog, but the degree depends very much on the individual.
Also people who don't recognise differences between progressive music, progressive (adjective) rock, and Progressive Rock (noun). Not all Progressive Rock is progressive, and not all progressive rock need be Progressive Rock (i.e. Prog). And certainly not all progressive music is progressive rock, yet some seem to imply that that is the case.
Too often I have felt that people's notions of being "progressive" has been far too limited and I feel the word is used inaccurately all too often.
Also, people who claim subjective truths as objective truth when it comes to music. One even find ridiculous statements sometimes where people claim that something is not even musical or music that clearly fits the definitions.
Also, people who can't tolerate others expressing their dislike of the music they like and those who cannot seem to disassociate personal taste (part of that comes from experience) from what has value (not just personal value, but what is good).
People who say "Which is better?" when they really mean "which is better for you?" And those who go far in making competitive sport of music, or at least take results of such fun competitions (for instance Christian Vander vs. Neal Morse) seriously.
Prog fans who won't give non-English language bands a chance (even if it's instrumental!).
Prog fans who won't step out of their comfort zones to try something new (and discuss such music in a non-deprecatory way with people who are familiar with such music). \ Those who don't wish to share their true feelings for fear of offending the fans.
Those who share their feelings in order to offend the fans.
T=hose who don't know what they're talking about.
Those who make little insults, or blanket biassed statements, then won't engage others in discussion when others respond.
People who vote in polls before reading the question and opening post.
Prog fans who complain about other Prog fans. 
Really anyone who does not accept my word as Divine.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Joined: September 11 2007
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:36 |
- People who love all those newfangled "prog" bands that don't do anything other than run thing their derivative music through a distortion box.
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Falx
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 05:18 |
Logan wrote:
... Prog fans who won't give non-English language bands a chance (even if it's instrumental!) ... |
Although English is my first language (infact the only language I'm fluent in) I find myself drawn more towards non-English bands, even if I have no idea what the lyrics are about. Not understanding the words lets you enjoy the sound of the voice, some languages are beautifully musical (e.g. French, Italian), others I find fascinating for the "texture" of the words (e.g. Finnish, Czech + other Slavic languages). (Don't be offended if I left out your language, I can't list them all  ) =F=
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"You must go beyond the limit of the limit of your limits!" - Mr. Doctor
"It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 05:50 |
I have a problem with the new generation prog mentality
Instead of coming out and playing a naturally exciting jazz/classical rock melody, todays prog is about taking the word progressive literally and inventing a new style of rock or metal and experimenting like no one else has. But what made prog great was melody and the cleverness and excitement that came from a jazz/classical man playing rock. Real proggers don't think about the term progressive they just go out and play it 
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FusionKing
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 06:54 |
Those who reasonlessly hate Jazz- Rock Fusion.
Those who say Phil Collins' Genesis is crap (especially those who secretly like most stuff up to 'Abacab')
Those who say Yes and ELP got too self indulgent with the music.
Those who say prog and metal can never work together.
Those who will not listen to foreign prog bands.
Those who claim to 'know' that punk killed prog, even though there is neo prog in the 80's.
Those who find avant garde too disturbing.
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"Man is nothing else but that which he makes of himself" - Sartre
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 07:20 |
mmmreesescups wrote:
People who shrug off every modern prog band as rip-offs or clones. |
That's pretty frustrating indeed.
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
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FusionKing
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 07:24 |
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"Man is nothing else but that which he makes of himself" - Sartre
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:59 |
The lamb lies down and Dark side of the moon dislikers.... ouch.... right in the balls for me
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presdoug
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Location: Canada
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 10:31 |
What drives me up the wall the most, are people who label the german group Triumvirat as sounding like a "clone" of ELP-this is utter nonsense- Triumvirat sound like (you guessed it) Triumvirat!
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wreckfan1
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:00 |
people who don't like ELP
people who consider muse as prog
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Hercules
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:17 |
HTCF wrote:
People who think Can is anything other than the greatest band ever in the history of civilization
I feel the same about: Comus, Magma, Weidorje, GY!BE, Tortoise, Faust, Amon Duul II, Captain Beefheart, Mr. Bungle, etc. ad nauseum
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Looks like you and me will have to fight to the death, then!
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shockedjazz
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:25 |
kingfriso wrote:
I'm having hard times to understand:
- People who don't get very bored while listeneing to Dark Side of the Moon. I don't have a single prog album that bores me more. - People who still get satisfied with that anti-inventive new sympho or neo release that sounds just like bla bla bla. - People that will rate any Genesis higher then way better Itialian prog album. BTW, I do think Genesis musicians weren't that good, otherwise they would have had at least ONE proper recording in the studio. Their best recording to date was on Trespass, because the drums are way more articulated.
But hey... that's says more about me then it does about others.
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Agree with all, especialy the first one 
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shockedjazz
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:27 |
Not quite right, i think althought i love jamms.
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Logan
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:40 |
wreckfan1 wrote:
people who don't like ELP
people who consider muse as prog |
I don't like ELP that much, but I do like some of ELP's music. I don't consider Muse to be Prog, but am not adverse to people calling it "NuProg". People who dismiss bands wholesale while being unfamiliar with the the great majority of their work and those who dismiss music while being unaccustomed/ unattuned to the style. Those who can not appreciate that people have different tastes, and just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad and just because you like something doesn't mean other people should like it. A major peeve of mine: When you make a poll and someone acts all indignant about you not listing their favourite band, track or album. I commonly really dislike comments such as "Where the hell is so-and-so?", but I'm perfectly happy if people list their favourites in a polite manner without expectation, and love getting recommendations. I might not be familiar with their choice, I might have forgotten it, or it might not be something that appeals to me. When there are thousands of choices available, some of those expectations seem quite insane. Those who think having a band/ artist at PA is a joke without understanding what it's there for and why. Sometimes those people are only familiar with limited material and not what got it included in the first place, and sometimes they have a very limited understanding of the how the category operates / expectations. Those who "expect" a band/ artist in while not understanding how the category works and get irate because others see it differently. Those who can't accept differences of opinion, don't recognise that there are shades of grey and different valid perspectives, and those who are didactic and feel they must "win" every discussion. Those who don't recognise the principle of charity when it comes to debate. And those who do not give credit where credit is due. Those who belittle others to make themselves seem bigger. Anyone who doesn't recognise that the recognition of one's own ignorance is an important step on the road to wisdom. Incidentally, like Harmonium (Alex), I don't consider consider myself to be a Prog fan (I'm actually not that big on Prog in a generic sense and what I tend to like is not traditional "Prog"), though I am a great appreciator of a lot of progressive music and progressive rock.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:44 |
-People who don't realize that Peter Hammill is the greatest singer and lyricist of all time. -People who think that A Trick of the Tail is the best Genesis album. -People who give 5 stars to a Retro or Neo-Prog album. -People who don't realize experimentation's place in Progressive music (I used to be one of those.) -People who have to give one 5-star album to every band or sub-genre.
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Logan
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:45 |
FusionKing wrote:
Those who reasonlessly hate Jazz- Rock Fusion.
Those who say Phil Collins' Genesis is crap (especially those who secretly like most stuff up to 'Abacab')
Those who say Yes and ELP got too self indulgent with the music.
Those who say prog and metal can never work together.
Those who will not listen to foreign prog bands.
Those who claim to 'know' that punk killed prog, even though there is neo prog in the 80's.
Those who find avant garde too disturbing. |
Yes, I rather think that Neo-Prog is much more to blame for killing Prog than punk.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The T
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:52 |
People who think all good prog was done in the 70's...
AND people who think only today's prog is worth their time.
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