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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 08:52
That topic makes me want to buy it for Christmas.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 10:02
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Time And A Word has too much of the cheese factor to be taken seriously.
 
 
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think Anderson's singing is the weakest point of the album (unlike later Yes offerings).
 
I would have to respectfully, but seriously (!), disagree. There may be a bit of a dated vibe to certain aspects of the album, but some would say that real cheese lies in the pomposity of parts of Tales From Topographic Oceans, etc. I also think Anderson's voice sounds great on TAAW. There was still some low-end balls to his voice, before it just became stuck in a high-only register (i.e. Tormato, Going for the One, etc).
 
Frankly, I love TAAW. It's my absolute favorite Yes album of all time. Astral Traveller, Sweet Dreams, Then, all of them. Great. Tony Kaye is on fire on this album (his intro to The Prophet is gothic, dark, swirling, and stunning). But my favorite is their version of Everydays. The strings on this... probably my favorite arrangement for strings on a rock song, up there with anything on Nick Drake's classic album Bryter Later. On Everydays, the strings are really melacholic and even creepy in parts. Beautiful.
 
I can see why this album isn't considered classic Yes because stuff like Roundabout and Close To The Edge (great songs in their own right) is what made their career, and TAAW is nothing like that. But, it's wonderful for what it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 12:28
Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Time And A Word has too much of the cheese factor to be taken seriously.
 
 
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think Anderson's singing is the weakest point of the album (unlike later Yes offerings).
 
I would have to respectfully, but seriously (!), disagree. There may be a bit of a dated vibe to certain aspects of the album, but some would say that real cheese lies in the pomposity of parts of Tales From Topographic Oceans, etc. I also think Anderson's voice sounds great on TAAW. There was still some low-end balls to his voice, before it just became stuck in a high-only register (i.e. Tormato, Going for the One, etc).
 
Frankly, I love TAAW. It's my absolute favorite Yes album of all time. Astral Traveller, Sweet Dreams, Then, all of them. Great. Tony Kaye is on fire on this album (his intro to The Prophet is gothic, dark, swirling, and stunning). But my favorite is their version of Everydays. The strings on this... probably my favorite arrangement for strings on a rock song, up there with anything on Nick Drake's classic album Bryter Later. On Everydays, the strings are really melacholic and even creepy in parts. Beautiful.
 
I can see why this album isn't considered classic Yes because stuff like Roundabout and Close To The Edge (great songs in their own right) is what made their career, and TAAW is nothing like that. But, it's wonderful for what it is.
Great example given here, Nick Drake's Bryter Later. You must have a great insight on songwriting and structure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 12:33
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Time And A Word has too much of the cheese factor to be taken seriously.
 
 
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think Anderson's singing is the weakest point of the album (unlike later Yes offerings).
 
I would have to respectfully, but seriously (!), disagree. There may be a bit of a dated vibe to certain aspects of the album, but some would say that real cheese lies in the pomposity of parts of Tales From Topographic Oceans, etc. I also think Anderson's voice sounds great on TAAW. There was still some low-end balls to his voice, before it just became stuck in a high-only register (i.e. Tormato, Going for the One, etc).
 
Frankly, I love TAAW. It's my absolute favorite Yes album of all time. Astral Traveller, Sweet Dreams, Then, all of them. Great. Tony Kaye is on fire on this album (his intro to The Prophet is gothic, dark, swirling, and stunning). But my favorite is their version of Everydays. The strings on this... probably my favorite arrangement for strings on a rock song, up there with anything on Nick Drake's classic album Bryter Later. On Everydays, the strings are really melacholic and even creepy in parts. Beautiful.
 
I can see why this album isn't considered classic Yes because stuff like Roundabout and Close To The Edge (great songs in their own right) is what made their career, and TAAW is nothing like that. But, it's wonderful for what it is.
Great example given here, Nick Drake's Bryter Later. You must have a great insight on songwriting and structure.


Agreed, whole heartedly. The "cheese factor" indeed can't be said to belong to TAAW when you have things like Topographic Oceans. lol

I'm glad that I was wrong and found that quite a few people appreciated this one. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 13:03
I like the album and find it enjoyable to listen to while I drive.  However, I love the first one more.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 22:38
As far as orchestral Yes is concerned, the live album / DVD Yes Symphonic, and the Studio Magnification, do a much better job by merging Yes music with orchestra.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2010 at 04:39

I don't listen to the album much, but the title track is one of the best songs Yes ever did. 

Seriously, it's incredible. Listen to it now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2010 at 05:16
Great album, I've always liked "No Opportunity..." (can never remember the title).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2010 at 15:49
I like that song.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2010 at 17:48
Early Yes fan here.....love the first two albums, but it was with the Yes Album that the band really took off.   Can't really get into much after Close to the Edge, though bits of Tales are starting to grow on me.....after 30 years of listening to it!
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2011 at 20:34
By asking "why does everybody hate..." the album, It sounds like you think it ought to be rated higher. I agree, it is a great album, and probably should be rated at least a little higher. I really love it too: I bought it listened to it constantly for a couple of months--actually wore out the CD. Thing is, though, when compared to Close to the Edge, Fragile, and the Yes Album, TAAW just isn't as good, and is probably not a "classic", it's their second album, so it still has some developmental moments. When I get around to writing a review, I'll give it 4 stars.

Just an extra item of interest: I think I remember reading an interview with Geddy Lee (in one of those guitar magazines) about a year ago, where he said that the strong bass on TAAW was one of his favorites, (and perhaps influenced him...or something to that effect). Anybody else read or heard of that too?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:18
Easy Livin:
 
Your comparison of TAAW to Let It Be re the orchestrations is inapt.  The Beatles did not WANT the "wall of sound" added by Spector.  Yes WANTED the string arrangements on TAAW.  And the latter are FAr more successful than the former.
 
In fact, I disagree that the string arrangements on TAAW somehow diminish it; I feel that they are not only integral to the success of the album (for me), but are entirely appropriate and, in some cases, exciting.
 
Finally, I find it odd that some feel the string arrangements on TAAW are somehow "flawed" while the more intensive orchestrations on later albums (particularly the incomprehensible and wildly overrated Tales) are good.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:05

A debate with the legendary Maani, I feel like I've run into a time warp!Approve

Whether or not the bands wanted the orchestration is largely academic, it is the reaction of the fans which matters. In both cases (Beatles and Yes), the general reaction was/is not favourable. Personally, I actually enjoy both albums.
 
I think the problem with both albums though is that is is all too apparent that the orchestration has been added as an afterthought. It does not sound like an integral part of the music. Yes were much more successful later when they used the orchestra to substitute for some keyboard parts on YesSymhonic and Magnification.
 
Not sure what orchestration you are referring to on Tales Maani, there's no orchestra on that album.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 23:08
^ Indeed, I find it really cool how well the orchestrations adapted to the classic Yes songs on Yes Symphonic, just as if those songs had been written to be played with the orchestra.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 04:05
Right, but somehow, even if the orchestra sounds like it has been lost and got into the wrong studio and tried to make the best of it, it sounds great nevertheless. Sometimes bar pianos sound better than Steinways. This Yes studio orchestra has a funny sound and the record sounds a bit underproduced, but the result is, funny enough, breathtaking. A bit like inventions that were made accidentally.
 
EDIT: I'm talking about TAAW, eh, not about Yes Symphonic LOL 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 04:35
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

bits of Tales are starting to grow on me.....after 30 years of listening to it!


I know Tales is hard to get into, but that must be a record!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 08:55

Easy Livin:

"A debate with the legendary Maani, I feel like I've run into a time warp."
 
Don't worry: I'll be gentle (and might even let you win!)  LOL.
 
I continue to disagree, this time with your suggestion that the string arrangements on TAAW seemed as much as afterthought" as the orchestrations on LIB.  I do not hear that - never did.  I always felt that those arrangements were original to - and, as noted, central to - the original songwriting.  In fact, I can't even hear that when I listen for it specifically and try to "force" myself to believe they were an afterthought.
 
Oh well.  I guess its ATD time.  LOL.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 09:54
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 
Don't worry: I'll be gentle (and might even let you win!)  LOL.
 
 
I'll call upon "Reed Lover" for some help. He is still around you know!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 09:54
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I always felt that those arrangements were original to - and, as noted, central to - the original songwriting.  In fact, I can't even hear that when I listen for it specifically and try to "force" myself to believe they were an afterthought.
 
 
Yes, I  agree on that. And... if I understood Jon Anderson in Dan Hedges' biography about Yes well, Jon was already restless in those days, trying to get a big sound for Yes in the old days. I suppose from The Yes Album on they learned to do that without an orchestra, but I think on TAAW Anderson was already trying to reach some higher heights than on the debut, and the orchestra seemed like a natural move.
 
If I understand Bill Bruford well, Bonanza was one of their influences for their version of Richie Haven's No Opportunity Necessary No Experience needed (NONNEN LOL), and later for Yours' Is No Disgrace. Just listening to the tune (Bonanza I mean, not NONNEN) on YouTube, you hear something of an augmenting of the sound, which is also heard with the violins on NONNEN. Sounds like Anderson has given it some thought, and not an afterthought. But, I might be wrong.
 
Whatever the case, poor Peter Banks complained that they mixed him out for a big part on TAAW. Maybe the orchestra got an extra push and Banks was biting the dust, poor chap Smile
 
 
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