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Poll Question: Both top-notch symphonic bands. Which is your favorite?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 11:07
after hearing Dillinger - it's nothing but pure sh*t ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 12:55
Sega Genesis for me.

I never realized that there were so many Dillinger Escape plan fanboys on this site.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 13:26
Does this qualify as the most one sided poll of all time??LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 13:49
No vote. I have never heard anything of the Dillinger Escape Plan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 14:16
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

No vote. I have never heard anything of the Dillinger Escape Plan.

There are two sides of Dillinger Escape Plan you need to take into consideration before you would be able to vote.

This side:


And this side:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 16:46
I dont get it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 17:07
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 
 
Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 17:56
Good lord....Pat started all this....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 18:03
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 
 
Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.

Your definition of "progressive" is antiquated then.  It's kind of ironic you'd think that then because it seems to me that for the most part the prog dinosaur bands that are still around seem to be just rehashing a lot of old material or stuff that people have already been listening to for the last 40 years instead of actually trying to progress the nature of rock, which is what these up-and-coming extreme acts are doing.  No question about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 18:23
I seems some people have abused the multiple votes option LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 19:49
Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 
 
Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.

Your definition of "progressive" is antiquated then.  It's kind of ironic you'd think that then because it seems to me that for the most part the prog dinosaur bands that are still around seem to be just rehashing a lot of old material or stuff that people have already been listening to for the last 40 years instead of actually trying to progress the nature of rock, which is what these up-and-coming extreme acts are doing.  No question about it.
I'm sorry, but how is grunting like a wild warthog in heat "progressing" rock? Can you really differentiate one wild rutting warthog's guttural growl from another? Does it require a zoology degree, or is there some program on the Discovery Channel that offers a glimpse into warthog grunting rituals?
 
"National Geographic here, in the wilds of Buffalo Arena, seeking the ever-dangerous vocalist of a death-symphonic-prog-mathcore-gothic-groove-power-speed metal band. Somewhere beyond the monotonous beats of a double bass drum, he lurks. Be careful with the camera, we don't want to disturb him in his natural habitat. Wait there he is...."
 
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"I can't make out the species because the human ear cannot detect a difference between one or the other growl. But we have a trained specialist who has listened to the same Opeth album 730 times in the space of a week in the basement of his parent's house."
 
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"There's lyrics?"
 
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"Perhaps if we entice it with some groupies..."
 
"Just a minute, I believe it's symphonic progressive metal."
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 21:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 21:14
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 
 
Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.

Your definition of "progressive" is antiquated then.  It's kind of ironic you'd think that then because it seems to me that for the most part the prog dinosaur bands that are still around seem to be just rehashing a lot of old material or stuff that people have already been listening to for the last 40 years instead of actually trying to progress the nature of rock, which is what these up-and-coming extreme acts are doing.  No question about it.
I'm sorry, but how is grunting like a wild warthog in heat "progressing" rock? Can you really differentiate one wild rutting warthog's guttural growl from another? Does it require a zoology degree, or is there some program on the Discovery Channel that offers a glimpse into warthog grunting rituals?
 
"National Geographic here, in the wilds of Buffalo Arena, seeking the ever-dangerous vocalist of a death-symphonic-prog-mathcore-gothic-groove-power-speed metal band. Somewhere beyond the monotonous beats of a double bass drum, he lurks. Be careful with the camera, we don't want to disturb him in his natural habitat. Wait there he is...."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"I can't make out the species because the human ear cannot detect a difference between one or the other growl. But we have a trained specialist who has listened to the same Opeth album 730 times in the space of a week in the basement of his parent's house."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"Can you make it out, Doctor?"
 
"Not yet. I don't have the lyrics with me."
 
"There's lyrics?"
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"Perhaps if we entice it with some groupies..."
 
"Just a minute, I believe it's symphonic progressive metal."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"How can you tell?"
 
"Because I believe I hear a D major note, and Pachelbel also used a D major."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"I'm afraid we'll have to cut to commercial..."

WOW nice one racist. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 21:22
very seriously indeed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 21:24
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 
 
Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.

Your definition of "progressive" is antiquated then.  It's kind of ironic you'd think that then because it seems to me that for the most part the prog dinosaur bands that are still around seem to be just rehashing a lot of old material or stuff that people have already been listening to for the last 40 years instead of actually trying to progress the nature of rock, which is what these up-and-coming extreme acts are doing.  No question about it.
I'm sorry, but how is grunting like a wild warthog in heat "progressing" rock? Can you really differentiate one wild rutting warthog's guttural growl from another? Does it require a zoology degree, or is there some program on the Discovery Channel that offers a glimpse into warthog grunting rituals?
 
"National Geographic here, in the wilds of Buffalo Arena, seeking the ever-dangerous vocalist of a death-symphonic-prog-mathcore-gothic-groove-power-speed metal band. Somewhere beyond the monotonous beats of a double bass drum, he lurks. Be careful with the camera, we don't want to disturb him in his natural habitat. Wait there he is...."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"I can't make out the species because the human ear cannot detect a difference between one or the other growl. But we have a trained specialist who has listened to the same Opeth album 730 times in the space of a week in the basement of his parent's house."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"Can you make it out, Doctor?"
 
"Not yet. I don't have the lyrics with me."
 
"There's lyrics?"
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"Perhaps if we entice it with some groupies..."
 
"Just a minute, I believe it's symphonic progressive metal."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"How can you tell?"
 
"Because I believe I hear a D major note, and Pachelbel also used a D major."
 
"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"
 
"I'm afraid we'll have to cut to commercial..."

Haha, well that was an entertaining reply.  Though it still seems that everyone is falling back on the whole "growling" defense.  Get original, folks!
In response, yes, I can tell the difference between different people growling.  I could discern Mikael Akerfeldt's growls from Greg Puciato's roars from Tommy Rogers's screams from Brent Hinds's bellows.  They make sense to me, and to some people they don't.  Probably the same way you could be able to tell the difference between a warbly keyboard solo from Bill Bruford and one from Kerry Minnear when I couldn't.  That's fine bud, I get that they aren't for everyone, we've done this whole thing before.  Knocking the whole genre because of the singing is a pretty stupid thing to do, especially when the focus is on the rest of the music.
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I'd rather listen to a warthog than Phil Collin's whiney rat voice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 22:12
Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Haha, well that was an entertaining reply.  Though it still seems that everyone is falling back on the whole "growling" defense.  Get original, folks!
In response, yes, I can tell the difference between different people growling.  I could discern Mikael Akerfeldt's growls from Greg Puciato's roars from Tommy Rogers's screams from Brent Hinds's bellows.  They make sense to me, and to some people they don't.  Probably the same way you could be able to tell the difference between a warbly keyboard solo from Bill Bruford and one from Kerry Minnear when I couldn't.  That's fine bud, I get that they aren't for everyone, we've done this whole thing before.  Knocking the whole genre because of the singing is a pretty stupid thing to do, especially when the focus is on the rest of the music.
 
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Thank you for a civil reply to my snarky commentary. At least you have a sense of humor. In regards to the "falling back on the whole 'growling' defense', it is an insurmountable wedge that drives me from these bands. I cannot listen to it. I find it campy and ridiculously over-the-top. It does nothing for the composition; in fact, it detracts from the music altogether. In addition, It is done by so many bands of so many "metal" genres as to utterly lack in originality (hence my questioning the entire "progressive" title of these bands).
 
A progression can be defined as moving away from accepted modes of operation, but the inane growling has been done for decades now; ergo, it is not original. And when you say, quite rightfully, that "the focus is on the rest of the music", I would say the stupid thing is that growling like Linda Blair possessed occurs so often in the compositions of these bands as to constitute an anchor that each of these performers drags around with them. It is an unnecessary impediment in what possibly might be a much larger group of fans listening to the music. Unfortunately, until this lunacy is ended and someone actually has the balls to break the mold and actually "progresses", then there will always be a gulf between us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 22:20
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I'd rather listen to a warthog than Phil Collin's whiney rat voice.
That is, of course, your option and your preference. I am sure there are many splendid zoos in your area where you can commune with your guttural side. As far as Phil Collins, I haven't cared for his work since Wind & Wuthering.  Very commendable drummer though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2011 at 22:30
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Haha, well that was an entertaining reply.  Though it still seems that everyone is falling back on the whole "growling" defense.  Get original, folks!
In response, yes, I can tell the difference between different people growling.  I could discern Mikael Akerfeldt's growls from Greg Puciato's roars from Tommy Rogers's screams from Brent Hinds's bellows.  They make sense to me, and to some people they don't.  Probably the same way you could be able to tell the difference between a warbly keyboard solo from Bill Bruford and one from Kerry Minnear when I couldn't.  That's fine bud, I get that they aren't for everyone, we've done this whole thing before.  Knocking the whole genre because of the singing is a pretty stupid thing to do, especially when the focus is on the rest of the music.
 
*Bows*
 
Thank you for a civil reply to my snarky commentary. At least you have a sense of humor. In regards to the "falling back on the whole 'growling' defense', it is an insurmountable wedge that drives me from these bands. I cannot listen to it. I find it campy and ridiculously over-the-top. It does nothing for the composition; in fact, it detracts from the music altogether. In addition, It is done by so many bands of so many "metal" genres as to utterly lack in originality (hence my questioning the entire "progressive" title of these bands).
 
A progression can be defined as moving away from accepted modes of operation, but the inane growling has been done for decades now; ergo, it is not original. And when you say, quite rightfully, that "the focus is on the rest of the music", I would say the stupid thing is that growling like Linda Blair possessed occurs so often in the compositions of these bands as to constitute an anchor that each of these performers drags around with them. It is an unnecessary impediment in what possibly might be a much larger group of fans listening to the music. Unfortunately, until this lunacy is ended and someone actually has the balls to break the mold and actually "progresses", then there will always be a gulf between us.

I hadn't thought of what you said about the growling being unoriginal, and you may be right on that, but that's also because it's a staple of metal.  It wouldn't be metal (well, sometimes) without the growls, any less than it would be symphonic prog without the Mellotron.  Some things are kind of essential to the music.
Also, more often than not, I think you'll find that for the good majority of the heavy bands on this website can effectively use both clean and harsh vocals to convey different moods.  Look at Opeth: Akerfeldt has a beautiful clean voice and they fit wonderfully with the clean passages in their music, but when they need to bring the rain with the heaviness, nothing else would work but a deep, guttural roar.  That's one of the cool things about progressive metal bands is that most of them realize that there is a purpose to these different stylings, unlike most metal bands who do growl just for the sake of the convention of growling.
Even then, for the most part the growling is just a textural thing with the music.  The growling is anchored around the music, not the other way around.  And metal isn't meant to be an accessible genre, the music is supposed to be challenging and difficult to listen to, but rewarding to the people who adapt to its stylings.
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