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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:18
Punk is great. Long live PunK!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:20
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:21

this whole argument on the punk web site is making me die of laughter,

why did the progs go over there and just go off on those punk heads for no reason, the punks dont like prog so what, dont mean u go ballistic on them and go out of your way to say your music is better or that prog changes so its better, they should halve just sayd,

hey, progs better to me becasue of this reason, goodbye

that should have been it but no, a coulple of guys had to go and make progs look like a bunch of fags who pick fights with anyone who has an opinion different than theirs.

We all look like a bunch of Hitlers right now because of them, I feel like goin over there and explain taht it dont matter and that both styles of music are different and that doesnt mean one's better than the other,

can't believe the fools those progs made of us.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:25
It's all quite retarded, so much ignorance on BOTH sides of the arguement. Punk fans spew pounds of bs about prog, and prog fans spew pounds of bs about punk, its an utterly pointless circle jerk. (to quote MO)

Can't people accept that people have different musical tastes, and that talent isnt a huge factor for some people. Wait.. thats crazy talk !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:41
i think i can safely say that i enjoy both prog and punk
at the same time, albeit for different reasons.
everybody should just lighten up a little and it's
hilarious to note that it seems to be the old punks
who have the largest chip on their shoulder.

punk to me was never about the music it was all
political. and as they prepared their rebellion against
society (which i am all for most of the time) they
naturally selected key targets and culturally it just
had to be the pompous prog rockers with their
mansions on the banks of the river thames and their
quadruple-sided concept LPs.

but let's keep politics with ethics and attitudes and i'd
eve go as far as saying that ELP were much more
punk rock than some of the punk rockers of '77,
because they never ever sold out in a way that the
punk rockers were ever exploited, swallowed and
dumped by the industry and audience. i bet the sex
pistols wouldn't exactly have minded in filling up the
olympic stadium in montreal in 1978 or whenever it
was, except that they never had the stability to work
up to such an event.

oh, well, whatever...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 05:31
WHY BOTHER?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 05:36

klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 05:37
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG 


Its an age old question con safo...and a complex one. Part of the title of their forum did have the word bitching in it so I am surprised that anyone would not be expecting some of the comments.
Maybe some people use it as therapy.


 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 06:11
Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

 

I haven't heard it, unfortunately... but I know this one, also prog/punk:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 06:27
And as far as ProgPunk goes, let's not forget the mighty Cardiacs, please.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 06:40
Indeed, Teaflax. Let's face it - both genres have their fair share of ignorant followers and no amount of reasoning will alter their blinkered perspective. Move along, chaps, nothing to see here...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 06:46
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

And as far as ProgPunk goes,
let's not forget the mighty Cardiacs,
please.


i just discovered them and i fully agree! one fine
band. may i add THE STRANGLERS to that list?
dave greenfields fidgety organ parts have some very
strong prog leanings. i can also hear some punky or
at least new-waveish influences in IQ's early
material.

you know what? this could well become a new topic
for discussion...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 06:57
Why don't you behave like adults and ignore their pathetic existence?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 07:10
Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Why don't you behave like adults and ignore their pathetic existence?


Yes, yes... very adult.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 07:34

 Personally I can't abide much in the Punk genre.  But I can see the appeal in it and I have no problem in listening to punk if it offers something that sets it apart from the crowd.

  For that reason I can't see much reason in berating them merely because they mouth off about prog.  If they choose to disregard an entire genre of music that contains much beautiful, sublime and moving material purely on the basis of fashion, then it's their loss.  If they really can't stand prog, then fine.

 Great music can be found in every genre, every style and every country.  Open your ears.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 09:46
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

 

I haven't heard it, unfortunately... but I know this one, also prog/punk:

Indeed there are a few tunes that are punk on that lp...not bad for the beginning of 1975. Could it be that Hammill, a prog rocker,  could have been the origins of Punk? If so, how ironic.

Even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols liked this lp.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 10:16
I actually do like some of AFI's older material.  Outside of that, there is very little punk that I like, and I have given it a chance.

I mainly don't get the awkward hair styles and piercings that these people get in their faces as if it makes them an individual.  Perhaps the emo/hardcore scene and the punk scene have fused, which is why it's much worse these days.  In the 70s, punk was much more geniune. 

This pop punk music (Blink 182, New Found Glory, All American Rejects) is really bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 10:45
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

 

I haven't heard it, unfortunately... but I know this one, also prog/punk:

Indeed there are a few tunes that are punk on that lp...not bad for the beginning of 1975. Could it be that Hammill, a prog rocker,  could have been the origins of Punk? If so, how ironic.

Even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols liked this lp.




Public Image Ltd., his post- Pistols band, sounds almost progressive in their first LP's ("Metal Box" is great!). Rotten was a krautrock buff, indeed, as were a lot of "first generation" english punks.

That bunch o' brats should take a listen or two to Magazine, Joy Division or LA Düsseldorf before  drawing their guns

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 10:57

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

WHY BOTHER?

Actually , this was a fairly good laugh, but our guys did not fare too well! Actually , their forum looked a bit like the layout of ours. Some of the members sounded a bit like ours, and they swore just a tad more......... my god!!!!!! They could be our twins!!!!!

Hope these punks don't venture out here , they will laugh twice as hard as I did!!

punk was about the attitude!!!!!

Prog is about skill!



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prefer the sink to the gutter
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 11:11

For those wanting to fuel up the battle on their forum, here is a few arguments about fallacy.

Hairdos: Punk crests against prog hairdo (generally long but not very well kept), besides the Ramones had long hair.

Stranglers: they were outcast from the punk movement because they had a KB player. But the biggest punk known was JJ Brunell their French bassist : would punch at least four people a night.

The Police: Sting was a jazzman , Copeland a proghead, Andy sommers an old hippy (played with Burdon , Soft Machine etc...) - just die their hair blond , ripped their jeans up and went on to conquer punk: fallacy!?!

The Clash sold out at the point they made their only good album, London calling. after that they were driving jags and rode limos.

Siouxie had swaztikas on her clothes and saluted as Heil H.

Commercial: this badge and clothes shops really hit big only when punks started their look thing.

opportunism: Johnny Rotten was quoted that he actually liked Floyd music but he was against big business and stadium rock.

For those wanting to fuel the fire on that Forum.......

 

 

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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