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Poll Question: What does age have to do with Prog Metal?
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2005 at 16:25
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BaldJean:

There's more to Devin Townsend than "meets the ear" on first listen. He's surely not your typical prog artist, that's obvious. His music has an enormous level of sophistication, especially on many tracks of "Infinity" and all of "Terria". I suggested a track from Terria in the collabs section, it should be added to the samples in a few days.

Here are two samples (complete songs) from his homepage:

http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Christeen.mp3 

http://www.hevydevy.com/mp3/Canada.mp3

I'm curious what you think about them ... and why you're so opposed to his music even on first listen. Remember that there's a lot of music in the Electronic Prog genre that would cause equally negative reaction on first listen - Klaus Schulze for example (people would complain that it's just sphaerical synths).

Edit: I just listened to the 128kbps versions ... the compression really hides the enormous level of detail in the songs.

 


sorry Mike, but the 2 examples you gave me only convince me more: there is nothing even remotely proggish about Devin Townsend. Led Zeppelin is a hundred times more proggy than he is. I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog


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^ you're quite extreme in your actions.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sorry Mike, but the 2 examples you gave me only convince me more: there is nothing even remotely proggish about Devin Townsend. Led Zeppelin is a hundred times more proggy than he is. I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog

http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd.html (4/5)

http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd2.html ( only 6/10, says that it's not his cup of tea but very progressive)

http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&co ntent=review&left=genre&genre=14  (in german, average score 12.50/15)

He is generally considered to be a progressive artist ... sorry. You neither have to understand nor to like him, but please don't demand his deletion from the archives just from a few listents to some 128kbps samples from two of his albums. That sounds a little rash ...
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I just fell into the not young and like PM category.WinkEmbarrassed
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2005 at 18:14
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sorry Mike, but the 2 examples you gave me only convince me more: there is nothing even remotely proggish about Devin Townsend. Led Zeppelin is a hundred times more proggy than he is. I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog

http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd.html (4/5)

http://www.progressiveworld.net/townsendd2.html ( only 6/10, says that it's not his cup of tea but very progressive)

http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?albumId=4858&co ntent=review&left=genre&genre=14  (in german, average score 12.50/15)

He is generally considered to be a progressive artist ... sorry. You neither have to understand nor to like him, but please don't demand his deletion from the archives just from a few listents to some 128kbps samples from two of his albums. That sounds a little rash ...


explain to me what is progressive about this music; I don't get it at all. the examples I listened to were not progressive at all.
he is not listed in the New Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock, by the way, although they have about double as many artists as we


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


I listened to the examples of Devin Townsend in the database; the MP3s that are in there ("Hide Nowhere" and "War") are absolutely horrible and boring and not prog at all; if this is in any way representative for his output he should be deleted from the database. and I don't say that because I generally disapprove of prog metal; I listened to a lot today and found some really interesting stuff (especially Ice Age)


Devin townsend produces cd's that need to be listened to as a whole- not the public accessible samples released on websites. That is why I never place links to them as Mike does, they are usually not good examples to listen to. What would we think of Yes if the only sample we had heard was owner of a lonely heart. Some people just don't like the heavier sound of guitars (and perhaps think there is no place for them in progressive music). I get the feeling your favourite band is VdGG- for me they are too light, much the same as Camel and GG- but this doesn't mean I don't play them, they are just not on my favourites list.

It is a bit silly to hear a couple of these user friendly samples and declare them not progressive, though.

[edit] "I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog." And this is not the attitude a collaborator should have from listening to two songs.

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

BJean- have you tried devin townsend - ocean machine or terria are brilliant

I listened to the examples of Devin Townsend in the database; the MP3s that are in there ("Hide Nowhere" and "War") are absolutely horrible and boring and not prog at all; if this is in any way representative for his output he should be deleted from the database. and I don't say that because I generally disapprove of prog metal; I listened to a lot today and found some really interesting stuff (especially Ice Age)

Ice Age's "The Great Divide" is a brilliant prog metal album and I encourage you to buy it.


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^^ BaldJean: I created a separate thread about Devin Townsend, let's continue discussion there (if you're interested).
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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


I listened to the examples of Devin Townsend in the database; the MP3s that are in there ("Hide Nowhere" and "War") are absolutely horrible and boring and not prog at all; if this is in any way representative for his output he should be deleted from the database. and I don't say that because I generally disapprove of prog metal; I listened to a lot today and found some really interesting stuff (especially Ice Age)


Devin townsend produces cd's that need to be listened to as a whole- not the public accessible samples released on websites. That is why I never place links to them as Mike does, they are usually not good examples to listen to. What would we think of Yes if the only sample we had heard was owner of a lonely heart. Some people just don't like the heavier sound of guitars (and perhaps think there is no place for them in progressive music). I get the feeling your favourite band is VdGG- for me they are too light, much the same as Camel and GG- but this doesn't mean I don't play them, they are just not on my favourites list.

It is a bit silly to hear a couple of these user friendly samples and declare them not progressive, though.

[edit] "I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog." And this is not the attitude a collaborator should have from listening to two songs.

it has nothing to do with heavier sound of guitars, and it has nothing to do with liking (and I like heavy guitars, by the way). the question is: where is the prog? certainly not in those examples


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Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


I listened to the examples of Devin Townsend in the database; the MP3s that are in there ("Hide Nowhere" and "War") are absolutely horrible and boring and not prog at all; if this is in any way representative for his output he should be deleted from the database. and I don't say that because I generally disapprove of prog metal; I listened to a lot today and found some really interesting stuff (especially Ice Age)


Devin townsend produces cd's that need to be listened to as a whole- not the public accessible samples released on websites. That is why I never place links to them as Mike does, they are usually not good examples to listen to. What would we think of Yes if the only sample we had heard was owner of a lonely heart. Some people just don't like the heavier sound of guitars (and perhaps think there is no place for them in progressive music). I get the feeling your favourite band is VdGG- for me they are too light, much the same as Camel and GG- but this doesn't mean I don't play them, they are just not on my favourites list.

It is a bit silly to hear a couple of these user friendly samples and declare them not progressive, though.

[edit] "I will ask for the removal of Devin Townsend from the database. this has nothing to do with liking the music or not; it simply isn't prog." And this is not the attitude a collaborator should have from listening to two songs.

I don't have a favorite band as such. and if VdGG is too "light" for you, you should listen to their live album "Vital", which is anything but "light". sure, it does not have the up-tempo beat of prog-metal, but you never heard a more brutal bass guitar, and the guitar is very much on the heavy side too; the first few chords tell the route the album is going to take. and there are a lot of much heavier bands than VdGG that I lsten to and like (and some are really heavy); being heavy is just not a criterion for me to like an album or not.
as to my comment about Devin Townsend: if people don't load up better examples of his music, I can't help it. I listened to his whole "Terria" album now; I agree it is prog, but Mr. Townsend will never be one of my favorites, I'm afraid


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BJean- I don't know PA's policy on sample MP3s, but I assume they would be only placing links to officially sanctioned samples by the owners of the music- am I wrong in this? That is what I meant by public accessible- these songs are usually songs that will give the greatest return from the general public. Most buyers want something they can tap their toe to. The downside of this is the discernable listener will dismiss them as insignificant.

Back to Townsend- as much as I hate to bring gender into it, I think some bands just suit a male audience better (please don't think bad of me for writing this). He struck a chord with me the first time I heard him. I even made a post to this effect. I am truly sorry I started all this nonsense when I suggested you listen to him when you mentioned the other classic rockers in an earlier post in this thread.

Now, what about the gathering? Have you listened to them?
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you are probably right. too much testosterone for our taste. and no, we don't know the Gathering


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BaldJean and how about Riverside?
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Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

BaldJean and how about Riverside?

we don't know them either


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Check out the MP3`s on the side, they give a good picture of what this band is
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But You can't call Riverside porg metal, me thinks... But lets wait till the New Album...
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Well it`s listed under Prog Metal....
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Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

Well it`s listed under Prog Metal....

WHAT?!

 

Well, If Shadow Gallery are prog metal then Riverside can't be that far off.. But then again Primus is art rock... God this is strange
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Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

Admin is your god?
The ways of the Lord are unknown.. or something like that
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