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micky
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Posted: December 08 2007 at 14:10 |
rileydog22 wrote:
MAGMA ISS DE HUNDIN!
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rileydog22
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Posted: December 08 2007 at 14:11 |
rileydog22 wrote:
MAGMA ISS DE HUNDIN!
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HAMATAI!
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Posted: December 08 2007 at 15:02 |
Speesh wrote:
I often feel the same way about "Trout Mask Replica", I can only hope it will make sense one day. Though now I certainly don't see anything to get there even after many attempted listens.
As for Magma it may just be one of those things that just doesn't appeal to you. I liked Magma from the first listen. I like all of the positive points you brought up, but I really like the stuff you hate as well, the chanting and whatnot. I guess it is just a love it or hate it kind of thing.
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I agree with all of this 100%. Probably the album that was the hardest for me to understand (but I got there eventually) was King Crimson's Lizard. Maybe the same thing will happen for me one day with Captain Beefheart.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - December 08 2007 at 18:54
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Posted: December 08 2007 at 21:12 |
micky wrote:
Yorkie.... if you take my suggestion seriously.. you will find that album is not cheap...
however.. for those who don't have it .. or know...
subscribe to Napster.... sitting here looking at all Magma's
album.... for a minimal charge... all at your fingertips to
listen to...screen on your computer to buy at your leisure. Without
sinking 30 bucks into an album just on a recommend.
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I'm intrigued enough with this thread to pick up this album. Thanks micky for the rec and the advice about price/Napster...might have to look into that.
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Posted: December 08 2007 at 23:39 |
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ThaCrim$onKing
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 19:28 |
Magma be fire man, I ain't "get" them at first either, but they grow on you yanno. Christian Vander walk tha beat like a policeman.
Edited by ThaCrim$onKing - December 09 2007 at 19:29
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:10 |
I feel the same way. I 'get' the concepts, I 'get' how talented they are, I even like the instrumentals enough (slowly getting used to handling most of the wailing). I've watched some videos and become a little more interested. Although I appreciate them, even like them at rare moments, I don't 'get' Magma. What is there that could 'grow on you'? "The choir is very impressive, but it also makes the album quite monotonous in the long run as they NEVER shut up." 
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:17 |
Poser wrote:
I feel the same way. I 'get' the concepts, I
'get' how talented they are, I even like the instrumentals enough
(slowly getting used to handling most of the wailing).
I've watched some videos and become a little
more interested. Although I appreciate them, even like them at
rare moments, I don't 'get' Magma. What is there that could 'grow on you'? "The choir is very impressive, but it also makes the album quite monotonous in the long run as they NEVER shut up."  |
never quite understood just what there is to 'get' about Magma... either they you enjoy them ...or you don't...
sounds like you have the right attitude though.... can think of scores
of groups and albums that on the first listens didn't light my
house on fire... but sticking with it... and suddenly.... something
clicks.. what it is... who ever knows just what it is that causes
something to 'grow on you' Might be that for a couple of listens
you are thinking of this.. or that... your girlfriend or wife is
bitching in your ears as you are trying to listen... or maybe it
simply just takes a couple of listens to find something in the nuances
of the music that speaks to you on some level.
Edited by micky - December 09 2007 at 21:19
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Posted: December 10 2007 at 03:48 |
micky wrote:
Yorkie X wrote:
micky wrote:
Yorkie X wrote:
I like some differant stuff but Magma were just too weird for me unfortunatly .. though I can hear they are very talented I fail to grasp the idea of whats going on ? .. I guess I`ll never be a Magma fan  |
what did you listen to out of curiousity....
| It was Attack I think .. I liked the cover and heard lots about Magma and it turned up in my local CD store so I just thought I`d give it a try ... maybe I started with the wrong CD   |
IMO you did.... try another. It is a group worth a 2nd chance if you will.... I differ from some Magma fans... but I'd suggest starting with the debut... you get what Magma was about... and is easier to grasp.. .and is a GREAT album.. in my personal top 10 favorites.
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I strangely agree. Not in my top 10, of course, but indeed could be a good introduction to Magma...
as for grabbing "cheap" copies, the blogging thing provided a far better way than Napster et al... It's now possible to reach this album (and many more) within seconds, if you know what I mean 
(P.S. My all time favorite Magma album, as well as one of the items in my Top something list, is MDK, along with its several versions... -that is, as a composition & concept, not necessarily as a particular "album"...- But I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point to newbies, despite the fact that it was the very first Magma piece I ever listened!!!)
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 23:48 |
 I know man.... agreeing with me too often can lead to bouts of never being taken seriously hahhaha..
you always say that sh*t Bilik  ...seemingly
thunderstruck you would agree with me as if I had opened my mouth.. and
a stream of fine white wine issued forth from it instead of
words. One of these days you'll have to tell me of what all the
stuff you disagree with me on hahahha
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 03:10 |
You got it all wrong this time... It was the "ideas", which I found strange that I agree, not you! In fact, I'm not even sure if I recognised it was "you" whom I agreed with . (read the rest of my post, you may get an idea why it was strange for me to agree with the idea that "it is best to start exploring Magma with their debut"...)
I can tell a million things on which I disagree with you, of course, but it will take all of my time, and I have a huge pile of sh*t to do here at work I barely find time (if at all) to write to forum every now and then, I can't spend my precious time trying to find reasons to fight with you ... besides, isn't it good that we may find stuff to agree upon, unlike most other guys writing (or was writing... I don't follow the general forum these days...) in this forum, notwithstanding your notoreity???    
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:15 |
Bilek wrote:
You got it all wrong this time... It was the "ideas", which I found strange that I agree, not you! In fact, I'm not even sure if I recognised it was "you" whom I agreed with . (read the rest of my post, you may get an idea why it was strange for me to agree with the idea that "it is best to start exploring Magma with their debut"...)
oh no.. I saw the rest of the post and know where you were coming from.... some think you should go directly the the 'classic' album to start with... might be some truth in that... and for most groups.. sure... but the way I see it.. Magma isn't most groups. It is a group that can lose people unneccessarily if you throw them off the deep end. I think the same of Pawn Hearts... some of it is so dense.. it can be construed as pure rubbish... but if you take a step back.. and check an album like H to He... you might have a better idea of what they are trying to do with their 'masterpiece' (though I still largely disagree with calling Pawn Hearts a masterpiece... I do think there is a thing such as failure when trying to up the ante as they did there.. that album with a little less contrived wierdness.. could have been a masterpiece)
I can tell a million things on which I disagree with you, of course, but it will take all of my time, and I have a huge pile of sh*t to do here at work I barely find time (if at all) to write to forum every now and then, I can't spend my precious time trying to find reasons to fight with you ... besides, isn't it good that we may find stuff to agree upon, unlike most other guys writing (or was writing... I don't follow the general forum these days...) in this forum, notwithstanding your notoreity???    
Someday I would love to hear it I had no idea you thought I was so full of sh*t until we ran across each other in that ... well... particular thread and found something we DID agree upon. 
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Bilek
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:04 |
micky, you seem not to read my posts entirely, or reading with ... erm ... some other part of your body     let me just make it clear, I didn't mean "you" by any means when I said "sh*t"... take a close look, I wrote that message at work and the sh*t was right on my screen (outside of progarchives forum window  ), as will be tomorrow! about VdGG, yeah, once again I agree, Pawn Hearts may be very very difficult to digest in the first listen. In fact, I started to warm them up by the "Least We Can Do" tracks in The Box (for some reason, completely ignoring the entire Pawn Hearts, actually half of it live, in Disc 2...), so that would be my choice, though H to He or Godbluff might as well be good choices... and I disagree: I regard Pawn Hearts an absolute masterpiece! I don't have the rhetorical skills to present my case (neither time!) here, but that is the actual album that clicked my "switch" (a vague reference to the new series of Battlestar Galactica  ) I suggest you to go through my initial post once again to see my point! well, maybe I have to make it clearer, I'll do that when I have time...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:13 |
Bilek wrote:
micky, you seem not to read my posts entirely, or reading with ... erm ... some other part of your body    
let me just make it clear, I didn't mean "you" by any means when I said "sh*t"... take a close look, I wrote that message at work and the sh*t was right on my screen (outside of progarchives forum window ), as will be tomorrow!
about VdGG, yeah, once again I agree, Pawn Hearts may be very very difficult to digest in the first listen. In fact, I started to warm them up by the "Least We Can Do" tracks in The Box (for some reason, completely ignoring the entire Pawn Hearts, actually half of it live, in Disc 2...), so that would be my choice, though H to He or Godbluff might as well be good choices...
and I disagree: I regard Pawn Hearts an absolute masterpiece! I don't have the rhetorical skills to present my case (neither time!) here, but that is the actual album that clicked my "switch" (a vague reference to the new series of Battlestar Galactica )
I suggest you to go through my initial post once again to see my point! well, maybe I have to make it clearer, I'll do that when I have time...
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hahahha... I guess I I am shouldn't post with no sleep.. forgive me
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:19 |
what is there to get?
they're a musical group
they make music you enjoy it
or you don't simple as that
"getting" things is a pretense made up by people who need some sort of vague reason to justify why they like something that many people may not but in reality its just all taste
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:26 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
what is there to get?
they're a musical group
they make music you enjoy it
or you don't simple as that
"getting" things is a pretense made up by people who need some sort of vague reason to justify why they like something that many people may not but in reality its just all taste
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I think saying "I don't get this band" is just another way of saying, "I don't think I enjoy them to their fullest yet."
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:27 |
Shakespeare wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
what is there to get?
they're a musical group
they make music you enjoy it
or you don't simple as that
"getting" things is a pretense made up by people who need some sort of vague reason to justify why they like something that many people may not but in reality its just all taste
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I think saying "I don't get this band" is just another way of saying, "I don't think I enjoy them to their fullest yet."
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what ho an example of what I was talking about
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:30 |
WHAT?!?!
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:32 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
what is there to get?
they're a musical group
they make music you enjoy it
or you don't simple as that
"getting" things is a pretense made up by people who need some sort of vague reason to justify why they like something that many people may not but in reality its just all taste
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But your musical experiences and conditioning inform what you will/ do find enjoyable... From A to B to C and so on. There is language of music that needs cognitive decoding (kind of musical semiotics/ signs and signifiers that you may not be able to appreciate due, in part, to lack of experience). There is something to get, but you can "get it" (understand the music and make salient musical associations) without liking it. I know that I've encountered music that was initially hard to grasp (Schoenberg for instance) in a meaningful and enjoyable way, but "learned' to like it. Sometimes when getting into a new style/ band, or even switching back and forth between genres, it takes a little rewiring of the brain. But Magma is more likely to appeal to people who can appreciate jazz, quirky and rather weird offbeat music (and operatic stylings) as well as rock. Not for the mainstream rock/pop listeners, though I'm sure some of them could enjoy it too.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:34 |
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