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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 10:45 |
sleeper wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
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^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.
| I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
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Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?
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sleeper
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 11:36 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.
| I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
| Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough? |
Fair enough. This does clear some things up, as your earlier post sounded a bit like you were fishing for a specific answer. I think Deans previous post explains the problems of photoshop well so I can see how this kind of image trickery that many bands use can be disregarded quite easily. Its not a favourite style of mine either.
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verslibre
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 11:58 |
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Well if I remember correctly it was Rick Wakeman who put the final touch on the Tormato cover if you remember as correctly as I do. Rick no liked nice picture so Rick throw Tomato at nice picture. |
Rick didn't like it? I thought it was just part of the gag.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:19 |
Oh my! Nothing for my tastes here. The Opeth's cover is quite nice, but the rest ranges from truly awful (like Tool, Kamelot...) to boring, clean or just safe. Even the newer bands I like, most often has pretty lousy coverart: Here's two bands that are quite good with the visuals, I think:  Acid Mothers Temple  Faun Fables
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Jared
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:41 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school. |
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe... 
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:43 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.
| I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
| Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough? |
you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs. you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:47 |
^ to be honest, I also don't know any 7 year old kids who would make such a type of drawing. They would either paint birds or butterflies, but not get the idea of combining them in this way.
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Jared
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:49 |
BaldJean wrote:
you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). |
absolutely...when I was about 7, my parents repeatedly tried to leave me in shopping centres, parks and playgrounds, but through memory, I always managed to find my way home.... 
incidentally, I always liked this album cover (and album, actually...  )
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 13:25 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:02 |
fandango wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school. |
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe... 
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Now that`s what I call a butterfly !  Wonder what my buddy would think of that one. Not my favourite Barclay James Harvest album though 
Edited by Vibrationbaby - March 14 2008 at 14:04
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:08 |
BaldJean wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.
| I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
| Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough? |
you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs. you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?
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Don`t get me wrong not for one second do I underestimate kids I`ve got 5 nieces and nephews. But comparing it to any of the impressionists is, I am sorry reading a wee bit too much into it. Anyway we`ll see on Monday after I have it analysed by a university art professor.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:11 |
I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:19 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.
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But it`s realistic because didn`t you know butterflies have actually been spotted by the Gemini and Apollo astronauts as well as space shuttle crews fluttering around in space.
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:30 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
sleeper wrote:
^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.
| I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.
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Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
| Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough? |
you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs. you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?
| Don`t get me wrong not for one second do I underestimate kids I`ve got 5 nieces and nephews. But comparing it to any of the impressionists is, I am sorry reading a wee bit too much into it. Anyway we`ll see on Monday after I have it analysed by a university art professor. |
what I refer to is the simplification of the people in the landscape. that was typical of the impressionists as well. human figures were not much more than a few blots in their landscape pictures. art is often the art of simplification. Picasso could draw Don Quixote and Sancho Pansa with only a few lines:
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:54 |
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Jared
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:57 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.
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yes, but it was 1978.... 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 16:41 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 16:53 |
I second the Tool, Anathema, Kamelot & Pelican. A few unmentioned ones:
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Rocktopus
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Posted: March 15 2008 at 11:03 |
^Those covers really are disasterously horrible.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: March 15 2008 at 11:30 |
Rocktopus wrote:
^Those covers really are disasterously horrible.
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I'm afraid you are very right here  ...
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