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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 10:45
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^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 11:36
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?

Fair enough. This does clear some things up, as your earlier post sounded a bit like you were fishing for a specific answer. I think Deans previous post explains the problems of photoshop well so I can see how this kind of image trickery that many bands use can be disregarded quite easily. Its not a favourite style of  mine either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 11:58
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Well if I remember correctly it was Rick Wakeman who put the final touch on the Tormato cover if you remember as correctly as I do. Rick no liked nice picture so Rick throw Tomato at nice picture.


Rick didn't like it? I thought it was just part of the gag.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:19
Oh my! Nothing for my tastes here. The Opeth's cover is quite nice,  but the rest  ranges from truly awful (like Tool, Kamelot...) to boring, clean or just safe.  Even the newer bands I like, most often has pretty lousy coverart:

Here's two bands that are quite good with the visuals, I think:


Acid Mothers Temple


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:41
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school.
 
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe...Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:43
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?

you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs.
you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:47
^ to be honest, I also don't know any 7 year old kids who would make such a type of drawing. They would either paint birds or butterflies, but not get the idea of combining them in this way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:49
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance).
 
absolutely...when I was about 7, my parents repeatedly tried to leave me in shopping centres, parks and playgrounds, but through memory, I always managed to find my way home....Ouch
 
 
incidentally, I always liked this album cover (and album, actually...Embarrassed)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 13:25
some fav's of mine...






I also really enjoy tool album art.

To BaldJean, i do not quite see the connection you drew between impressionists and the muse cover. the sureal, yes. impressionist? could you explain

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:02
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school.
 
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe...Wink
 
Now that`s what I call a butterfly ! LOL Wonder what my buddy would think of that one. Not my favourite Barclay James Harvest album thoughWink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:08
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?

you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs.
you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?
Don`t get me wrong not for one second do I underestimate kids I`ve got 5 nieces and nephews. But comparing it to any of the impressionists is, I am sorry reading a wee bit too much into it. Anyway we`ll see on Monday after I have it analysed by a university art professor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:11
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school.
 
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe...Wink
 
Now that`s what I call a butterfly ! LOL Wonder what my buddy would think of that one. Not my favourite Barclay James Harvest album thoughWink

I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:19
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have just have one more thing to add and then I`m bailing out of this disscussion on "porg" album art. As I mentioned on page one of the thread on my lunch hour yesterday I showed that Butterfly graphic by Storm T to a friend and she remarked that it was cute and looked like something her 7 year old daughter would create in art class at school.
 
Can't help feeling this one would suit you more, Vibe...Wink
 
Now that`s what I call a butterfly ! LOL Wonder what my buddy would think of that one. Not my favourite Barclay James Harvest album thoughWink

I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.
But it`s realistic because didn`t you know butterflies have actually been spotted by the Gemini and Apollo astronauts as well as space shuttle crews fluttering around in space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:30
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

^That sounds like you were fishing for a specific answer and so deliberatly lied to the guy to get it.

I simply pulled the picture out of my pocket and simply said " Dave, what do you make of this?" I wasn`t fishing for any specific answer. If he would have said "that`s genius", I would have have come back here and said that. But I am going to just remain a spectator here.

Yes, and you also said " I said, " C`mon ****head  it was done by a 7 year old girl on her computer in her art class". His following answer that you posted was basd entirely on this information, which we know is a lie because its a Storm Thorgerson (sp?) cover. His impression of the artist is wrong because you gave him fals information. Besides, I don't know any under 12 that could manipulate a photoshop type programe so well.
Let me clear something up. Initially I took the image out of my pocket and handed it to him and said to him Dave what do you make of this ? And he replied looks like a painting some homosexual did ( although he used a different word ) I only said to him that it was done by a 7 year old girl to see if he would believe it, and he did. I didn`t bother explaining to him who Storm Thorgenson is, or the real reason why I was showing him the image. This guy is an airline pilot who knows zilch about music or art. The whole exercise was to see what a layman ( as far as art goes ) would say or think about the butterfly cover. So now you might say, then his opinion is not valid. But do artists perform or practise their art for other artists? John McLaughlin has said many times that his music is intended for non-musicians. .
Now this weekend I`m going to get it analysed by a woman who teaches art at the university level, a friend of my wife. And I`ll tell her exactly what it is and get her take. Fair enough?

you don't seem to be aware that 7 year old kids are geniuses, and I fully mean it. their powers of comprehension are far beyond the powers of comprehension of a grown-up person (ever tried to beat a kid at playing Memory? no chance). and as to imagination: no fantastic writer comes up with stories that are as fantastic as theirs.
you also don't seem to be familiar with impressionism, else you would notice the resemblance of the rest of the painting to impressionists painting. were the impressionists all 7 year old kids in your opinion?
Don`t get me wrong not for one second do I underestimate kids I`ve got 5 nieces and nephews. But comparing it to any of the impressionists is, I am sorry reading a wee bit too much into it. Anyway we`ll see on Monday after I have it analysed by a university art professor.

what I refer to is the simplification of the people in the landscape. that was typical of the impressionists as well. human figures were not much more than a few blots in their landscape pictures.
art is often the art of simplification. Picasso could draw Don Quixote and Sancho Pansa with only a few lines:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:54
wow I just noticed the band member's faces in the butterfly's wings LOL

anyway, concerning "modern prog" or just album art in general, I like the work of Travis Smith who did the Blackwater Park and Terria covers



and Aaron Turner, in addition to being an awesome songwriter, makes some cool album art too, particularly his own band's and Pelican's









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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I believe the other butterfly to be much more original, to be honest. This one looks like one of the pictures I used to collect as a kid. Kitsch.
 
yes, but it was 1978....LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2008 at 16:53
I second the Tool, Anathema, Kamelot & Pelican. A few unmentioned ones:
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2008 at 11:03
^Those covers really are disasterously horrible. 
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^Those covers really are disasterously horrible. 


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