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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847 |
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^ I'm with you here. As I was saying a couple of posts above, the lick is repeated 4 times (alternately playing D and D#) and then a different section begins (a verse, technically) in C#min (actually alternating between C# minor and A major). The D# could be seen as part of a melody line in C# natural minor: E D# B C#. The C#min IMO provides the required "relief" for the "shock" of the - for the E minor / D major situation - offending note. In a way the D# could really be seen as a hint of things to come ...
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GoldenSpiral ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
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Please everyone go listen to some Merzbow and let's get over this.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847 |
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^ at least when listening to Merzbow you immediately identify the wrong note(s) ...
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N Ellingworth ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 17 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1324 |
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The challenge with Merzbow is finding a 'right' note.
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Visitor13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
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So there are notes in Merzbow?
This is actually a serious question... though probably a seriously stupid one as well... |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847 |
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^ or indeed any note (as such) to begin with ...
![]() To give those who may not know Merzbow some idea of what we're talking about: http://www.myspace.com/merzbow777 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Ah! That's the answer - the D# is the right note - all the other's are wrong - that's why Cert doesn't like the album |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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some Merzbow material indeed has notes
sampled progressive rock or else perhaps violins(?) in the days when Merzbow had more than just one member some of the loops he uses more recently might accidentally give rise to a "key" of sorts too, and devout fans of his early work despise his digital stuff for that reason... |
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Visitor13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
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^ Well yeah, given the fact that he has some 86509685065923435 releases out, there's bound to be a note or two out there,
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Oh well put, sir!!!!
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Very sharp
![]() Actually it was because the whole album feels a bit flat to me
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Still, it's got people discussing the album and listening to it loads of times - which is ALWAYS good news for a new release. ![]() Edited by Certif1ed - June 24 2008 at 16:08 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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GoldenSpiral ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
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Just trying to put things in perspective.
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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I can think of a hundred songs that disobey music theory, but that doesn't make them "wrong" as such. If the artist meant to put that particular note in then it's nothing but "right". |
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Arnold Schoenberg |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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My ......
Long Live tonal music!
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Trademark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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^^ He'd fail my electronic composition class.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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He would probably fail a pancake-baking class....the guy thinks he's making good music.....how much more delussional can one get? Edited by The T - June 24 2008 at 20:33 |
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A B Negative ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
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Some people prefer Merzbow to (insert name of your favourite band here).
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Visitor13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
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Kibble_Alex - artists can disobey music theory all they want, as long as they follow logic (see Trademark's posts on the previous page)
The_T - it's hard to tell what Merzbow thinks about his work, especially whether he considers it music or not. From what I've read in his interviews, he just doesn't seem to care. Now, a Merzbow pancake would be something else entirely ![]() |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Oh dear - I don't think that was accidental, to stave off more puns and to stop people getting crotchety, (which is only natural since they are bound to pitch in, which may lower the tone), I'll give it a rest so this topic can breve and not slur my character.
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Kathune ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 25 2008 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Hiya,
I recently read an interview in a magazine with Mikael, and there was a quote that I found interesting that might explain slightly. "Some things sound like sh*t, but it's the right sh*t! On the song Burden on our new album Watershed, I came up with the idea of Fredrik slowly detuning my acoustic while I played the outro, for example. Sometimes these things add to the song, so we did it - it was funny and ended the song in a nice way. It was a lovely melodic kind of song, and I love to destroy things like that." He's basically saying he likes to... destroy lovely melodic songs which explains that odd note, it does stand out and is a kick in the face for the traditional melody but I kind of like the unnerving edge that note gives. That unwelcoming evil touch if you like. :P Oh by the way, I see somebody posted the tab for the intro a page back or so, thanks for that. Does anybody have any tabs/guitar pro tabs for the rest of the song or anything else from Watershed? Thanks in advance. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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We can't post full tabs here - excerpts are okay for educational/discussion purposes.
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