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Poll Question: progressive time signature
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5 [9.43%]
1 [1.89%]
1 [1.89%]
3 [5.66%]
3 [5.66%]
20 [37.74%]
12 [22.64%]
7 [13.21%]
1 [1.89%]
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All my favorite prog tracks  are written in 4/4, so my vote goes for this one.

A complex structure is far more important than a strange rhythm because the latter can often destroy the fluidness in case one uses it too deliberately ...  if it works, it is great, especially when it's used to create hooks.

Indeed  I find Banco's 10/4 in "RIP" quite groovy. Smile




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Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

127/128 is a pretty brutal time signature.
 
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Yeh but George Kollias taught Jordison how to play in that time signature. George Kollias can can play blastbeats in that time signature with his pinky he's so good
 
Haha, I believe it, too.
 
I definately think there is an art to the blastbeat. You can't just go completely off the map crazy when doing it, otherwise the whole band sounds like noise.
 
At least in my opinion. I am no drummer, though, so what do I know, Tongue
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

127/128 is a pretty brutal time signature.
 
Joey Jordison


Yeh but George Kollias taught Jordison how to play in that time signature. George Kollias can can play blastbeats in that time signature with his pinky he's so good
 
Haha, I believe it, too.
 
I definately think there is an art to the blastbeat. You can't just go completely off the map crazy when doing it, otherwise the whole band sounds like noise.
 
At least in my opinion. I am no drummer, though, so what do I know, Tongue


You obviously haven't heard much grindcore my friend You haven't lived until you've heard a 127/128 blastbeat in my opinion,, so long as it's tight of course
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I like the feel of 9/8 or 9/4. 1234-123-12. 123-123-123. Either/or its just a blast...

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Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

5/4 always feels non-progressive to me, because Radiohead (a non-prog band) uses it a lot...

Wait, they're not Prog?
 
 
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Originally posted by hagguhsem hagguhsem wrote:

7/4 because many prog bands use it, like Tool...
but i like the crazy section in DT's Dance of eternity wich has no time signatures at all, watch Portnoy explain it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jikeIyKaE
There are time signatures, they just change every measure. The most interesting thing about that video is that while I acknowledge that he nearly killed himself keeping time there, for all his effort, it doesn't sound very rhythmically interesting. At least to me.
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

127/128 is a pretty brutal time signature.
 
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Are you kidding? I HAVE TO HEAR THAT if somebody can actually play that.
 
Anyways, I voted 3/4, since it's not very commonly used in rock music. Usually when doing triplet times, 6/8, 9/8, and12/8 times are used. 3/4 is usually only present in rhythms with a waltz-y feel, which sounds pretty cool in prog. Other odd times are pretty simple. 5/4 is usually pretty groovy and if done right usually doesn't sound too much different than 4/4. 7/8 can either be frantic or hauntingly meditative and sounds way cool when played quickly. 11 times are usually tacked together so they don't sound all that great IMO. Fractions I haven't really encountered yet, unless you count "Schism" by Tool (for those who have heard what Danny Carey says it's in).
 
Incidentally, a buddy in drumline and I wrote a cadence with a section in 17/8. It's basically a standard 7/8 measure with a standard 5/4 measure right after it. It's pretty awesome.

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

5/4 always feels non-progressive to me, because Radiohead (a non-prog band) uses it a lot...

Wait, they're not Prog?
 
 
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They are not prog.
 
That's funny, since I kindof just gave a link saying that they are. You can keep your opinion, but the majority vote won out for their inclusion here, thank God. A very worthy addition to the site.
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Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

127/128 is a pretty brutal time signature.
 
Joey Jordison


Yeh but George Kollias taught Jordison how to play in that time signature. George Kollias can can play blastbeats in that time signature with his pinky he's so good
 
Haha, I believe it, too.
 
I definately think there is an art to the blastbeat. You can't just go completely off the map crazy when doing it, otherwise the whole band sounds like noise.
 
At least in my opinion. I am no drummer, though, so what do I know, Tongue


You obviously haven't heard much grindcore my friend You haven't lived until you've heard a 127/128 blastbeat in my opinion,, so long as it's tight of course
 
No, I'm saying that I can really enjoy a blastbeat if it is handled correctly. Mainly I was commenting on the fact that a lot of drummers tend to just jump right into it without much thought. But hry, it;s just my opinion.
 
But I do love a good blastbeat as long as I can still hear the rhythm in it. Wink
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

5/4 always feels non-progressive to me, because Radiohead (a non-prog band) uses it a lot...

Wait, they're not Prog?
 
 
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They are not prog.

They are prog - you are mistaken Smile.
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

127/128 is a pretty brutal time signature.
 
Joey Jordison


Yeh but George Kollias taught Jordison how to play in that time signature. George Kollias can can play blastbeats in that time signature with his pinky he's so good
 
Haha, I believe it, too.
 
I definately think there is an art to the blastbeat. You can't just go completely off the map crazy when doing it, otherwise the whole band sounds like noise.
 
At least in my opinion. I am no drummer, though, so what do I know, Tongue


You obviously haven't heard much grindcore my friend You haven't lived until you've heard a 127/128 blastbeat in my opinion,, so long as it's tight of course
 
No, I'm saying that I can really enjoy a blastbeat if it is handled correctly. Mainly I was commenting on the fact that a lot of drummers tend to just jump right into it without much thought. But hry, it;s just my opinion.
 
But I do love a good blastbeat as long as I can still hear the rhythm in it. Wink


Ah right, yeah, I see where you are coming from. I've heard quite a few amateur drummers play blastbeats with their new sensational band in pubs and support acts. It sounds quite shocking when they screw up...
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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

5/4 and 7/4or7/8 is pretty standard for prog
I don't think 6/8 is that progressive its the same as 3/4 which is waltz time and fairly common outside prog.



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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Easy.  All of them and none of them.

(a quirky time signature does not a prog song make)

That is true, but it has been a key component. I believe the point of the question is to ask opinion of which is considered the most Prog, given that an unusual time sig is present. 



And I did just that.  In my opinion, time signature has nothing to do with "most Prog".  All of them are associated with Prog, including 4/4 time.  Though admittedly, most people think of the "other" time sigs like 7/8, 6/4, 9/8 etc. when they think of Prog.  But honestly, I don't think it matters at all.
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I chose 7/4 just because it's my favourite time signature. But when it comes to prog, I believe that songs that don't stick to a single time signature in a song are more progressive. If a song goes back and forth between bars of 7/4/, 5/4, 4/4 etc... it really gets me interested in the song.
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Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

5/4 and 7/4or7/8 is pretty standard for prog
I don't think 6/8 is that progressive its the same as 3/4 which is waltz time and fairly common outside prog.



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Actually yeah, say what? 6/8 is completely different to 3/4 and is by NO means a waltz.
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^Right. 6/8 means a double jig (or a Tarantella, for the Italians among us).
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Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

5/4 and 7/4or7/8 is pretty standard for prog
I don't think 6/8 is that progressive its the same as 3/4 which is waltz time and fairly common outside prog.



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Actually yeah, say what? 6/8 is completely different to 3/4 and is by NO means a waltz.
 
Now, had he said: ''3/4 is the same as 3/8'', he would have made a bit more sense.
 
Maybe that's actually what he meant . . . ?
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2009 at 09:55
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

5/4 and 7/4or7/8 is pretty standard for prog
I don't think 6/8 is that progressive its the same as 3/4 which is waltz time and fairly common outside prog.



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Actually yeah, say what? 6/8 is completely different to 3/4 and is by NO means a waltz.
 
Now, had he said: ''3/4 is the same as 3/8'', he would have made a bit more sense.
 
Maybe that's actually what he meant . . . ?


Nah man, I think he meant 6/8 Shocked 3/8 isn't in the poll unfortunately.

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Now the question is, will he be able to live this down? Tongue
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Well, I know I wouldn't be able to. Only time will tell, but will we forgive him when he comes crawling back to us?
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