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Blacksword
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 10:59 |
It's a brilliantly executed piece of music, balancing excitement with beauty, musical complexity and rich melody. Lyrically, like most of Yes' output in the 70's, it's rather ambiguous, but certainly at the time it was made, it sounded fresh, bright and was very well produced.
The album is a good all round package, without any obvious flaws or weakness. But then guess it's all subjective. It jostles for the top spot as their best album, along with The Yes album, and Going for the One. In my opinion..
Different listerners have different perspectives, and tastes. Like any album, by any band within any genre of music, it's not for everyone.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 11:52 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
CTTE one of the masterpieces of prog rock, lyrics inspired in the Herman Hesse Book Siddartha.
I recommend to you to read this:
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Personally, I think CTTE is rather dull, but I don't care if you like it. However, I do have to do take issue with this concept of it being based on Siddhartha. I don't know what was going through Jon's head, but I read Siddhartha, and the lyrics still don't make a damn bit of sense because they're an impressionistic miasma and since it's impossible to get any concrete meaning out of a single phrase, there's really nothing to connect it to Siddhartha other than the idea that it is connected to Siddharth.
And that paper was a terribly depressing waste of the author's time. |
First i don't know if it's worth to response to you, because you always see the negative side of the things. and i don't like that.
Second, if you read well, i say that is inspired in the book, not an intepretation of the main idea of the book, see, there are sometimes that we have to think before we reply.
Third, i don't care about what you think about the paper that i put in the thread, i think that if you don't share the opinion of the author's point of view, at least you can say why you think that is "a terribly depressing waste of the author's time". and not only bashing around with you so called statements.
Ps. And i do like a lot CTTE, FYI.  
Edited by Alberto Muņoz - February 23 2010 at 11:54
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 11:53 |
Epignosis wrote:
TheGazzardian wrote:
I don't get what your post is about, but if you're really curious about what Close to the Edge is about, I'd help you out, but I'm still trying to figure out what a Khatru is.
If you're really, really curious, google "Close to the edge" interpretation. The first result I got was:
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I could choose words at random for lyrics to a song, and get some grad student with a little mustache and a penchant for overpriced coffee to spell out what it all means in painful detail.
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Some of the stuff in those analysis' are pretty weird indeed. I saw one that actually talked about some interesting history behind the importance of the liver and what a seasoned witch actually was ... I really didn't care enough to read further, but it seemed like it had some real factual basis. The one in my previous post, from my skimming, wasn't very good, but...*shrugs*
As far as I'm concerned, you get some oregano, garlic powder, and cayenne pepper, put it on your witch, you got yourself a seasoned witch... 
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 12:01 |
Blacksword wrote:
It's a brilliantly executed piece of music, balancing excitement with beauty, musical complexity and rich melody. Lyrically, like most of Yes' output in the 70's, it's rather ambiguous, but certainly at the time it was made, it sounded fresh, bright and was very well produced.
The album is a good all round package, without any obvious flaws or weakness. But then guess it's all subjective. It jostles for the top spot as their best album, along with The Yes album, and Going for the One. In my opinion..
Different listerners have different perspectives, and tastes. Like any album, by any band within any genre of music, it's not for everyone. |
This may be the closest to why its "so great" on this thread. But yet I still don't feel all the warm and fuzzies over the album. As I read all the posts, the over riding feeling is that "its not their best, but its a great album..." also "not all the tracks are good/great...but its a great album...".
I think to be dubbed as the Number 1 on this website, it should be disected, pulled apart, analyzed, spell checked and re-interpreted.
This forum is loaded with intellectual, prog music masters, who should be able to tell me why this album is so GREAT!! Its number one....WHY? What does it have over all the other great albums which are not #1?
The feeling from this thread is more why it is not their best work, rather than why it IS their best work and why it IS the number 1 rated album.
I'm not dissing anyone...please, I am talking more in the 3rd person to find out for all who wonder as the OP states....
"What's so great about CTTE??
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 12:05 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
CTTE one of the masterpieces of prog rock, lyrics inspired in the Herman Hesse Book Siddartha.
I recommend to you to read this:
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This is good. I'll read this in depth
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I hope that you find useful.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 12:16 |
This is all what drove me to hate half of all my English classes in high school. The author had a specific intention when writing something. Unless we know his intention, it's abherrent to try to put words in their mouth and say, "The author here is trying to communicate what about [life/death/freedom/nostalgia/blahblahblah]. Most of the time I think the so-called Great Books are generally just those which allow the most bullsh*t reading-into. At least concerning 20th century books I know.
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A Person
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 12:49 |
stonebeard wrote:
This is all what drove me to hate half of all my English classes in high school. The author had a specific intention when writing something. Unless we know his intention, it's abherrent to try to put words in their mouth and say, "The author here is trying to communicate what about [life/death/freedom/nostalgia/blahblahblah]. Most of the time I think the so-called Great Books are generally just those which allow the most bullsh*t reading-into. At least concerning 20th century books I know. |
I think that most classics do have symbolism, but not to the degree my 11th grade teacher seems to believe. It completely ruins the book. Also, CTTE is pretty good and stuff.
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Sckxyss
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 04:25 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's a brilliantly executed piece of music, balancing excitement with beauty, musical complexity and rich melody. Lyrically, like most of Yes' output in the 70's, it's rather ambiguous, but certainly at the time it was made, it sounded fresh, bright and was very well produced.
The album is a good all round package, without any obvious flaws or weakness. But then guess it's all subjective. It jostles for the top spot as their best album, along with The Yes album, and Going for the One. In my opinion..
Different listerners have different perspectives, and tastes. Like any album, by any band within any genre of music, it's not for everyone. |
This may be the closest to why its "so great" on this thread. But yet I still don't feel all the warm and fuzzies over the album. As I read all the posts, the over riding feeling is that "its not their best, but its a great album..." also "not all the tracks are good/great...but its a great album...".
I think to be dubbed as the Number 1 on this website, it should be disected, pulled apart, analyzed, spell checked and re-interpreted.
This forum is loaded with intellectual, prog music masters, who should be able to tell me why this album is so GREAT!! Its number one....WHY? What does it have over all the other great albums which are not #1?
The feeling from this thread is more why it is not their best work, rather than why it IS their best work and why it IS the number 1 rated album.
I'm not dissing anyone...please, I am talking more in the 3rd person to find out for all who wonder as the OP states....
"What's so great about CTTE??
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Well, statistically speaking, a lot of people think it's really good, with relatively few who think it's really bad. That's how top albums lists are usually determined, and that's all you can really take from them. For specific opinions, there are several hundred reviews on that specific album if you feel like reading them  . I could give my opinion, but I'm not here to write a review (if I felt like doing that, I'd actually submit it to the proper place). I'll just say that I'm satisfied with it's position at the top, but obviously most of the top 20 are pretty damn good too. I'd also say it's the best Yes album; easily their most focused and consistent work.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 04:33 |
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it....
My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it..
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chopper
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 07:47 |
Blacksword wrote:
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it....
My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it.. |
but everyone knows red is more prog than blue Andy. After all Red is a prog album and Blue is a boy band.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 09:11 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
Obviously its WAY BETTER than pop music,
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So why is Thriller the best selling album of all time?
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 09:49 |
chopper wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it....
My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it.. |
but everyone knows red is more prog than blue Andy. After all Red is a prog album and Blue is a boy band. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 10:03 |
Blacksword wrote:
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it....
My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it.. |
And the good thing about music is its all about personal opinion.
I like red 
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 11:34 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it.... My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it.. |
And the good thing about music is its all about personal opinion.
I like red  |
But surely you cant dispute that the most prog colour is magenta!!
These days I tend to not listen to anything pink, but then ones tastes change.
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 11:50 |
Blacksword wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
No disrespect to anyone, but this is a fairly pointless discussion, isn't it.... My favourite colour is blue. Who can tell me, what the hell is so good about the colour red? I just dont get it.. |
And the good thing about music is its all about personal opinion.
I like red  |
But surely you cant dispute that the most prog colour is magenta!!
These days I tend to not listen to anything pink, but then ones tastes change. |
Magenta is awesome dude!! 
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 15:52 |
TheGazzardian wrote:
I don't get what your post is about, but if you're really curious about what Close to the Edge is about, I'd help you out, but I'm still trying to figure out what a Khatru is.
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My own theory is that Jon took "haiku" and Russified it.
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 16:47 |
Nah. It's a good album, but I'd never call it a masterpiece, much less so a masterpiece of the entire progressive rock genre. It's just not that good. While there are great moments, it leaves a lot to be desired.
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A Person
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 16:58 |
clarke2001 wrote:
Nah. It's a good album, but I'd never call it a masterpiece, much less so a masterpiece of the entire progressive rock genre. It's just not that good. While there are great moments, it leaves a lot to be desired.
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I agree.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 24 2010 at 22:41 |
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
CTTE one of the masterpieces of prog rock, lyrics inspired in the Herman Hesse Book Siddartha.
I recommend to you to read this:
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Personally, I think CTTE is rather dull, but I don't care if you like it. However, I do have to do take issue with this concept of it being based on Siddhartha. I don't know what was going through Jon's head, but I read Siddhartha, and the lyrics still don't make a damn bit of sense because they're an impressionistic miasma and since it's impossible to get any concrete meaning out of a single phrase, there's really nothing to connect it to Siddhartha other than the idea that it is connected to Siddharth.
And that paper was a terribly depressing waste of the author's time. |
First i don't know if it's worth to response to you, because you always see the negative side of the things. and i don't like that.
Second, if you read well, i say that is inspired in the book, not an intepretation of the main idea of the book, see, there are sometimes that we have to think before we reply.
Third, i don't care about what you think about the paper that i put in the thread, i think that if you don't share the opinion of the author's point of view, at least you can say why you think that is "a terribly depressing waste of the author's time". and not only bashing around with you so called statements.
Ps. And i do like a lot CTTE, FYI.   |
Oh man, you're accusing me of not thinking, I must have really upset you if you're going to be so condescending. ;-)
I'm fairly certain that to qualify as inspired by, it needs to be in some sense an interpretation of the main idea of the book, otherwise, how is it functionally any different from something that is not inspired by it? You are saying that it's not an interpretation of the primary elements of the book, so how can reading the book help you understand it?
I didn't even read the whole paper, my point was that he wasted his time saying pretty much nothing. '60s and '70s music was influenced by the hippie movement? And technology allowed rock bands to accomplish things that weren't possible before!? I WILL HAVE TO RETHINK EVERYTHING I TOOK FOR GRANTED! By spending so long stating the obvious, it is just as much a waste as spending so long stating the non-obvious in the CTTE lyrics "analysis".
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 11:02 |
Well, Selling England/Pound is now #1.....funny how that changed
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