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Fox On The Rocks 
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 Posted: June 22 2012 at 15:04 |
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The song is really a masterpiece. The piano intro is so creative and beautiful and Phil's drumming is very tasteful. Hackett's solo, in my mind, has always gotten a bit too much praise. I mean, I love it, but for the majority it's just the same flute melody reprised on guitar, but spiced up with emotion and elegance. Wonderful melody though.
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Cthulhu42
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 15:44 |
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Firth of Fifth is amazing; not quite my favourite Genesis song, but at least in my top 5.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 15:48 |
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I like to play it on bass guitar and drums...
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 17:19 |
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The part that "ruins" the song for me is the intro. Still a great song, i just skip past it. |
Well, most people (including me, as I already said) love that intro, but if you don't like it, then by all means you should get some live version of it. I have the one of seconds out sung by Collins, and there's another one with Gabriel, but I don't remember if it's on the "Genesis Live" or "Live at the Rainbow" albums.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 17:20 |
tszirmay wrote:
Dissing prog is NOT a new phenomenon, it was also very
powerful back in the 70s as well because most rock reviewers (Lester
Bangs, Chris Welch, Mike Clifford, the morons at NME and Melody Maker,
as well as newspaper critics) loved to heap insult on talent , coining
terms such as Jethro Dull, Out of Focus, No, Emerson, Lake and Puddle,
etc...). Being frustrated non-musicians they felt complexed by the
Wakemans of the world and thus bashed them insanely while propping up
HUGE (snort) talents like Sid Vicious, Ian Dury, the Ramones, etc...
So I am glad that many people hate prog because it's the only
guarantee that it will live and prosper ! Nothing is worth defending
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Come on, the Ramones weren't that bad. I don't care if a band was influenced more by Iggy Pop than King Crimson, if it's good music, I'll give it a go.
Blacksword wrote:
Most people probably don't like it for the following reasons:
1) It's too long
2) It has multiple sections which differ from each other, with no discernable chorus, to latch on to.
3) The subject matter is obscure and irrellevent to most peoples lives.
4) The production is dull, and not sparkling and 'zingy' like bright pop production.
5) The singer is not warbling and yodelling and screaming like a woman sitting on a washing machine during the spin cycle.
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One problem with that concerning the critics from the previous paragraph (I'd think of more, but I don't want to put my foot in my mouth): "Sister Ray" by the Velvet Underground fits 1 and 4 - the studio version lasts 17:26 and was probably recorded with the same type of tape Giles, Giles & Fripp used on The Brondesbury Tapes, yet is widely praised by a lot of critics and musicians. Back on topic: "Firth Of Fifth" generic? I'd understand if he was referring to, say, "The Grand Illusion" by Styx, but something from Gabriel-era Genesis?
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 03:56 |
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The song is absolutely amazing.
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 05:53 |
it's endlessly debatable... but i was listening to the velvet underground recently... then, some lou reed 'transformer... i used to like this when i was young(i also liked genesis and yes, etc)
well 'punk' came from the same stream and it's just as infected by that whole post-modern(image and attitude above technique) stream of 'art' as prog is by the modernist tendency to elevate technique above other considerations... there is a similar tension included in works by The Who(and they don't suffer artistically because of it, but thrive)...
I think the fact that I've lived a bit longer in spite of some 'infection' by the 'post-modern' has really soured me on the 'innovations'... nowadays, street culture, trendy, non-representational art(not all of it), and trash rock make me queasy... it all feels rather suicidal... heroin-addicted, film-school dropout transvestites just don't appeal like they used to  |
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we only know that we do not know
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 09:27 |
FFF fffffffffffffffffffffffffffff... 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 23:41 |
Los_Endos wrote:
Ok. I am in this other forum that has bugger all to do with music...except they have a music section.Someone posted a game. Name 4 songs, we all review then and add 4 songs.
I added Firth as one of my songs. It was trashed to f**k by all...
"nice piano intro...turned into generic prog" "boring" etc 3/10 was average
I think its a masterpiece. An absolute masterpiece without question.
Question is. Am I over-rating this track? |
Can I have a link to that forum or can you at least tell me its name?
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 00:34 |
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
Edited by smartpatrol - June 30 2012 at 00:35
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Barbu
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 00:51 |
smartpatrol wrote:
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
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And what is good music, my young friend?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 00:52 |
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^ Don't answer that, Andrew. It's a trick question.
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Barbu
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 01:04 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Don't answer that, Andrew. It's a trick question. |
No trickery here, Dayven. Just a straight question to a dumb comment.
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 01:32 |
Barbu wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
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And what is good music, my young friend? |
Alright, you smart-alek, you asked for it... Good music includes, but is not limited to: The Beatles, Dave Brubeck (Quartet), Cardiacs, The Clash, Coldplay, Devo, The Doors, Driftless Pony Club, Fred Firth, Adrian Belew, Andy Summers, Robert Fripp, Pat Metheny, Genesis, George Harrison, Dilika, Boyoyo Boys, German Hadbe, Mzikayifani Buthelezi, Lemon Demon, Charlie McDonnel, The Moutain Goats, (James Chance and) The Contortions, Mars, DNA, Queen, Rush, Larrena Segura, Sex Pistols, Ravi Shankar, Paul Simon, Simon and Garfunkel, (The Cast of) Spongebob Squarpants, They Might Be giants, Trio M, The Who, (The Cast of) Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, Wings, Yes, Gentle Giant, Aaron Goldburg, Doctor Nut, Lucas Bieljewski, Ozark Softscape, Luciana Souza, Alexandre Riberiro, Ralphtheheadoflettuce, Erwine Beekveld, Strawberry Alarm Clock, Joey Dee and the Starlighters, Grand Funk (Railroad), Jimmy Dean, Bob and Doug McKenzie, Men at Work, The Police, Bruce Springsteen, Orson Wells, Yorkshire Records, Ludwig van Beethoven, Peter Gabriel, Bobby McFerrin, Boston, Bill Crosby, Sting, Abbot and Costello, Laurie Anderson, The Aquabats, Glenn Branca, John Cage, Captain Beefheart (and His Magic Band), Buckner and Garcia, Chuck Corea, Ornette Coleman, Jonathan Coulton, David Byrne, Brian Eno, Arto Lindsay, Ambitious Lovers, The Golden Palominos, Kevin Drumm, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Jeff Foxworthy, Fripp and Eno, Jim Giffigan, Phillip Glass, Hank Green, Scott Jones, Joy Division, New Order, Keane, King Crimson, Geddy Lee, Tom Lehrer, John Lennon, Merzbow, Monty Python, Callie Moore, Pere Ubu, Lou Reed, REM, Renaissance, Rhett and Link, Soundgarden, Supersilent, Talking Heads, Mike Telesmanick Trio, Van Der Graaf Generator, Edgar Varese, Weird Al, and Frank Zappa.
Edited by smartpatrol - June 30 2012 at 01:34
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Barbu
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 01:49 |
smartpatrol wrote:
Barbu wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
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And what is good music, my young friend? |
Alright, you smart-alek, you asked for it... Good music includes, but is not limited to: The Beatles, Dave Brubeck (Quartet), Cardiacs, The Clash, Coldplay, Devo, The Doors, Driftless Pony Club, Fred Firth, Adrian Belew, Andy Summers, Robert Fripp, Pat Metheny, Genesis, George Harrison, Dilika, Boyoyo Boys, German Hadbe, Mzikayifani Buthelezi, Lemon Demon, Charlie McDonnel, The Moutain Goats, (James Chance and) The Contortions, Mars, DNA, Queen, Rush, Larrena Segura, Sex Pistols, Ravi Shankar, Paul Simon, Simon and Garfunkel, (The Cast of) Spongebob Squarpants, They Might Be giants, Trio M, The Who, (The Cast of) Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, Wings, Yes, Gentle Giant, Aaron Goldburg, Doctor Nut, Lucas Bieljewski, Ozark Softscape, Luciana Souza, Alexandre Riberiro, Ralphtheheadoflettuce, Erwine Beekveld, Strawberry Alarm Clock, Joey Dee and the Starlighters, Grand Funk (Railroad), Jimmy Dean, Bob and Doug McKenzie, Men at Work, The Police, Bruce Springsteen, Orson Wells, Yorkshire Records, Ludwig van Beethoven, Peter Gabriel, Bobby McFerrin, Boston, Bill Crosby, Sting, Abbot and Costello, Laurie Anderson, The Aquabats, Glenn Branca, John Cage, Captain Beefheart (and His Magic Band), Buckner and Garcia, Chuck Corea, Ornette Coleman, Jonathan Coulton, David Byrne, Brian Eno, Arto Lindsay, Ambitious Lovers, The Golden Palominos, Kevin Drumm, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Jeff Foxworthy, Fripp and Eno, Jim Giffigan, Phillip Glass, Hank Green, Scott Jones, Joy Division, New Order, Keane, King Crimson, Geddy Lee, Tom Lehrer, John Lennon, Merzbow, Monty Python, Callie Moore, Pere Ubu, Lou Reed, REM, Renaissance, Rhett and Link, Soundgarden, Supersilent, Talking Heads, Mike Telesmanick Trio, Van Der Graaf Generator, Edgar Varese, Weird Al, and Frank Zappa.
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Nice list. Many of them i never heard of. If it's good music, i'll have to check them out.
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Luna
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 02:07 |
smartpatrol wrote:
Barbu wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
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And what is good music, my young friend? |
Alright, you smart-alek, you asked for it... Good music includes, but is not limited to:
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I'd prefer a definition, not examples.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 02:10 |
SolarLuna96 wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Barbu wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Los_Endos wrote:
I think its a masterpice. An absolute masterpiece without question. |
Those guys are just a****les who can't appriciate good music
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And what is good music, my young friend? |
Alright, you smart-alek, you asked for it... Good music includes, but is not limited to:
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I'd prefer a definition, not examples. |
I have two: Definition of music: sound Definition of good music: good sound or Definition of good music: music that can be enjoyed passivly and attentivley, or, pleasing to both the body and the mind.
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Barbu
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 02:22 |
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^Fair enough but if someone disagree with your definition of 'good music', try not to insult.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 07:35 |
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I find it funny to come and read through this thread. Because...now you know what it feels like to be a Dream Theater fan, where not even the Proggies will leave you alone! Maybe those of you who have been aggravated by people who can't appreciate Firth of Fifth (which IS a great song, by the way) can learn to leave alone the people who say that things you don't appreciate are masterpieces.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 08:22 |
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I'd like to hear Fred Frith do Firth of Fifth...
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