Lizard Supper

Lizard by miles!

Dayvenkirq wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ I would say "no surprise". What's your point? And you went for a lame joke about mister nobody. What do you have to say about that? why isn't a surprise?? I know because it's better It's not a surprise because I've spent almost 12 months actively participating on this forum and found out that there is an overwhelming majority of progheads who hold "Supper" very close to their hearts. ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I know because it's better. You know what because what's better? Make sense, man.

@ProgMetaller2112 - And simply Supper's Ready is more something that you would call more melodic and something that has an immediate impact on listener. From the first listen I was astounded by the greatness of that song. And Lizard? I do appreciate that song, but it's not my taste really, even though I tried so many times. Too jazzy, too avantgarde, too hard to digest in, and serious. I know it's a timeless song, but I don't have to like everything.. I prefer "Red" , " In The Wake of .. " and " Court.. " by far.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: It's not a surprise because I've spent almost 12 months actively participating on this forum and found out that there is an overwhelming majority of progheads who hold "Supper" very close to their hearts. It's because Supper's Ready is a classic epic, that;s why it holds a deep place in their hearts

A classic epic by public acknowledgement, i.e. according to the majority from the public. That doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with the majority. And it's not the reason in itself why people love it so much.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 28 2012 at 13:53

^ There is more people preferring "Supper" than there is people preferring "Lizard". So what? That doesn't make "Supper" a "better" piece. You are leaning too much against the quantity.

^ That's one way to interpret it.

Here are the facts:
1) The question is "which one is the best epic?" That means "which one is better", not "which one is your favorite". That invalidates a part of your claim.
2) A lot of people who respond in this thread will ignore the OP and, less likely, the question above the poll choices. These people will assume the question "which one is your favorite". This does not happen very often, but sometimes it happens.

Now, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 30 2012 at 17:21

subjectivity vs. objectivity

the problem is it's really hard to be objective with music and most people base their "objective" views of music on subjective emotions and opinions.

but I dunno, i can draw the line usually. It's not that uncommon for me to accept that my favorite something isn't necessarily the best, but simply the one I dig the most. like with Yes. I can admit that CTTE is their overall strongest effort, but The Yes Album is still my personal favorite.


Edited by Sumdeus - December 30 2012 at 17:59

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ Before we start annoying each other again on the objectivity/subjectivity matter, allow me to note that it appears that the words "better" and "favorite" are open to interpretation. For years I used to think that "better" has to do with quality and "favorite" with enjoyment.

do they not? "better" implies that it is of greater quality than something else, and that the quality can somehow be measured so you can decide. I don't think 'favorite' has anything to do with that, a favorite is simply the one that appeals to you personally the most.

i guess one can interpret the words however one wishes but to me it seems plainly obvious that one is objective while the other is not.

also I don't recall ever having this discussion on this site before, maybe you are thinking of someone else who annoyed you? I personally have always really enjoyed this topic, i think it's important to consider objective quality vs. subjective preference when listening to music


Edited by Sumdeus - December 30 2012 at 18:48

Lizard, it took me years to appreciate it though.