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Yeah, I suppose the news should be a dispassionate listing of all local regional events. Who cares about what happens in the Middle East? Ok, so it affects everything from global oil prices, to global terrorism, to relations with Russia, to the global economy, to community relations with Muslims back home, and challenges the morality of the west funding and arming terrorists to do their bidding before eventually using the excuse of those terrorists attacking us to waste billions of pounds dollars and Euros and fighting more wars abroad which serve to destabilise and exacerbate the problem even more.

Vibrationbaby is right. Why should any of us give a sh*t??

Then there's that 'whistle blower guy' I agree he should just be shot to ribbons, along with anyone who raises legitimate concerns about government behaviour that concerns us all. Treacherous scum.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2013 at 17:04
I guess you misunderstand me. I agree with coverage of the ENTIRE WORLD (at least when there are newsworthy events). But in the main news networks here is I guess you misunderstand me. I agree with coverage of the ENTIRE WORLD (at least when there are newsworthy events). But in the main news networks here is only the middle east. There have been occasions when there have been events in South America and they have been given minimal coverage. Europe of Asia (the non-arab part) fare only slightly better. Sorry if this offended you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2013 at 17:07
Also, it's not only that. I could understand in a one hour program devoting a third of it to the most important news (may e the middle east situation, ok) and the rest to other events. Wrong. It's 50 minutes to that and a quick recap of three other ones.

All I ask is news. From all over. I've seen it happening. Only CNN, FoxNews and MSNBC seem to fail to care about news anymore.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I never said Goldilox was a bear. Were you saying that to set the record straight because you honestly thought that I thought that Goldilox was bear or just for the sake of a " witty " comeback?  If it was the former then I thank-you for the enlightenment but yeah I have known that Goldilox was young girl since my mother read me the story for the first time on February, 17, 1967.
Yeah - the joke was forebears vs Goldilocks and the Three bears (4 bears / 3 bears geddit?). You said we forgot Goldilocks - we hadn't - she wasn't a f*cking bear (though maybe she did, but that wasn't mentioned in the story) so there was no reason to mention her at all.
 
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:


As for bombing. Yes bombing or the threat of being bombed does solve a lot of problems. 

Example of Threat of Being bombed : In Afghanistan When air support is called into a hotspot by an FAC the Brits will send in a Tornado GR 4 and make a couple of menacing low passes  just to show the baddies what's in store for them  if they choose to keep it up. It works 100% of the time and the Brits save on ordnance and the baddies f**k off ( for a while ). I'll have to say if it happens to be an American A-10 Warthog that is available it will go in and remove the problem on first pass by whatever means necessary and the threat no longer exists. They would not extend the British courtesy of sort of saying " please f**k off or we will have no option but to bomb you". So both methods work. I prefer the American method because the enemy does not live to fight another day.
Yep - works perfectly - we cleared up that little skirmish in no time using those tactics. 174 frickin' years and we've learnt nothing.

What would have happened if the Vulcan Black Buck raid on the Port Stanley airstrip  during the Falklands Conflict  would have failed ? And it almost did because the lead a/c had to turn back due to a pressurization problem. It was the back up guy that had to take over. And to top it off they had fuel miscalculation problems with the Victor tankers compounded with extreme weather problems, If the Argentinians would have had use of that runway they could have given the Brits a better fight than they did..

I'm sure your response would probably be that you don't care about a few pieces of rock with sheep on them. But what is happening now. Offshore oil assets. The bombing of that airstrip by antiquated Vulcans was vital. And it succeeded. It gave the SAS the time they needed to secure the airfield. Another thing. It also struck fear into the Argentinians because they thought if the Brits could do that then maybe if we piss then off enough maybe Buenos Aires is next. It got them running like scared rabbits with their tails glued to their asses

I have to step out but this Goldilox thing is not over.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:


What would have happened if the Vulcan Black Buck raid on the Port Stanley airstrip  during the Falklands Conflict  would have failed ? And it almost did because the lead a/c had to turn back due to a pressurization problem. It was the back up guy that had to take over. And to top it off they had fuel miscalculation problems with the Victor tankers compounded with extreme weather problems, If the Argentinians would have had use of that runway they could have given the Brits a better fight than they did
 
I'm sure your response would probably be that you don't care about a few pieces of rock with sheep on them. But what is happening now. Offshore oil assets. The bombing of that airstrip by antiquated Vulcans was vital. And it succeeded. It gave the SAS the time they needed to secure the airfield. Another thing. It also struck fear into the Argentinians because they thought if the Brits could do that then maybe if we piss then off enough maybe Buenos Aires is next. It got them running like scared rabbits with their tails glued to their asses
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Operation Black Buck was ineffectual, the damage to the runway and radar installations was minimal and quickly repaired. If the operation had failed (it wasn't really a ripping success as it was) then nothing much different would have happened. It did not result in the Argentines withdrawing their aircraft from the conflict to defend the mainland (that was propaganda). The war in the air was won not as the result of putting Port Stanley's tiny airfield out of action (because it was never put out of action), but was because the Argentinian fleet played no part in the conflict after the loss of the ARA Belgrano - they went home and took their aircraft carriers with them. I'm not sure quite what the SAS has to do wth this they attacked a different airstrip on Pebble Island, not Port Stanley Airport 100 miles away. In the time that they were supposed to have needed to secure the airfield they never secured, the Argentinian engineers had time to repair the runway, install steel reinforcement to the stand areas and fit arrestor gear into the runway - in that time they could have made the runway capable of taking fast jets - since they chose not to it is evident they only wanted the airport for Hercules transports and Pucarįs.
 
If we really wanted to attack installations on the mainland we have nuclear subs fitted witn ICBMs - we didn't keep those a secret.
 
What the military junta were not expecting us to do was fight-back - that we would stage such an operation showed that we would - that's what changed their attitude - not that we could (that was never in doubt) but that we would (and did).
 
Nine hundred and seven Argentine and British people lost their lives in two months, one week and five days. Countless more have died since then as a result of the trauma they experienced during the conflict.
 
War is a stupid waste of life.
 
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have to step out but this Goldilox thing is not over.
Goldilocks. In the original story of the Three Bears they were three bachelor bears sharing the same house and not a cosy little nuclear family of the modern fairy tale. Goldilocks wasn't in the original story either.

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I have some time.

I will be the first guy to say war is stupid. Period. But if we are forced to wage it we better make sure the other guys die for their country. I served for 12 years and believe me I was always ready to do whatever I had to do. It also had something to do with the fact of putting the training and my airplane to the real test.

I don't think that I said that the Black Buck raids won the war per se. They helped immensly. Your information obviously comes from the press and not inside information. Nobody really knows what the SAS are up to. That is what they are all about. The SAS suffered tragic losses during the conflict. You must know about the loss of 22 men in a Sea King when it experienced a bird strike when they flew into a flock of storm petrels.  But they were there to make sure no engineers would be repairing the "minimal damage". From my sources it was a six man team. 

As for the Trident armed subs. I really don't think that Maggie was very much interrested in starting a nuclear war over an already failed empire. trying to save face is one thing but firing off a nuke is another. I hope that you will agree with me on that, Sinking the Belgrano certainly scared the Argies just  "a wee " bit. Enough to keep their ex-RN carrier out of it. Because they knew it was next on the shopping list.

As for propaganda. It is as old as war itself.

I think Godilox is much a much cuter spelling than the  proper spelling. But fairy tales have been modified over and over through the years. Look what Monty Python did with Little Red Riding Hood.


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Meanwhile, in Italy:
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2013/07/06/news/colombia_arrestato_roberto_pannunzi_il_boss_della_ndrangheta-62481776/

Okay, it won't destroy the whole N'drangheta, but it's still good news.

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Just unbelievable horror.  

Practically speaking, how does the world deal with these groups, which seem to be getting worse all the time.  This is not isolated, there have been many attacks by this group and similar ones. 

Can we do anything, or, do we just make it worse by trying to help?


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Yes, indeed Jim 1 Like the Beslan horror a few years back, armed men target children. Here is a prime example of defining terrorism and freedom fighting. 
When armed insurgents attack the military (as was the original premise in Nigeria) , its an armed revolt ! But the idea is to ratchet up the horror by attacking civilians instead of going after the military. 
Nowhere does it state in the Koran that innocent children shall be killed in the name of God! 
So why does this group fear attacking the military? Cowardice and hypocrisy , as usual the 2 greatest human weaknesses.
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Boeing 777 crashed on landing this morning at SFO in San Fran.  2 confirmed dead at this point.  A lot of facts are still coming out.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:


I don't think that I said that the Black Buck raids won the war per se. They helped immensly. Your information obviously comes from the press and not inside information.
I'm sure you didn't say they won the war, nor did I imply that you thought that. You asked what would have happened if the Vulcan Black Buck raid on the Port Stanley airstrip during the Falklands Conflict  would have failed and I answered. You claim they helped immensly - I say they were ineffectual and changed little - the airfield was not put out of action and it didn't change Argentine tactics significantly, (it was the sinking of the Belgrano that did that, not the Black Buck raid).
 
What you did claim was that it gave the SAS the time they needed to secure the airfield, which apparently they never did - they did however, attack a different airfield on a different island. None of the three airstrips on the Falkland Islands were ever "secured" by the SAS or anyone else until after the surrender.
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Nobody really knows what the SAS are up to. That is what they are all about. The SAS suffered tragic losses during the conflict. You must know about the loss of 22 men in a Sea King when it experienced a bird strike when they flew into a flock of storm petrels.  But they were there to make sure no engineers would be repairing the "minimal damage". From my sources it was a six man team. 
What the SAS did was secret at the time, but it's not that much of a secret now (even you know about it in sufficient detail to identify the species of sea bird that are alleged to have brought down the Sea King, (no one know for sure what caused the crash), killing 4 more than the reported 18 SAS personnel - clearly your intel is more accurate than that which is freely available in the public domain).
 
You may need to check your sources - an eight man team reconnoitred Pebble Island for a latter raid by a 45 SAS personnel that took out half the Argentinian complement of Pucara aircraft. A six man team attempted to destroy the oil storage tanks in Port Stanley harbour (not airfield), but were spotted and withdrew after being pelted with AAA fire. Your six man raid on Port Stanley Airfield is either so secret it's still classified or it's a distorted amalgamation of those two raids.
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As for the Trident armed subs. I really don't think that Maggie was very much interrested in starting a nuclear war over an already failed empire. trying to save face is one thing but firing off a nuke is another. I hope that you will agree with me on that.
Accuracy Ian - accuracy. In 1982 we didn't have Trident missiles and we didn't have Vangard class subs to carry them. I said ICBM's not nuclear weapons - balistic missiles filled with conventional explosive can be deployed from subs - the AWRE at Aldermaston constructed both nulcear and conventional warheads. But we were not interested in striking the mainland even though we could - the Argentinian military were aware that we could without a demostration using 25 year old bombers flown from a tiny island in the middle of the south Atlantic Ocean.  


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Originally posted by MillsLayne MillsLayne wrote:

Boeing 777 crashed on landing this morning at SFO in San Fran.  2 confirmed dead at this point.  A lot of facts are still coming out.

The incoming runway at SF starts at the bay--  it's open seawater and then suddenly a runway appears.   It's fairly scary even after you've flown in&out of the airport for years.   Right now it sounds like the tail of the plane hit the runway short, clipped the plane and it careened.   Only two deaths so far, 160 hurt, 132 not injured.   I'm amazed it hasn't happened before, especially with pilots unfamiliar with landing at SFO.

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The explosion  in the train in Quebec with oil more than 100 people dissapear
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It  looks to to be an ATC f**kup. I am just wondering if there was any military traffic. i have landed there before in a military jet  and because of the speed of our airplane we were always given prioraty. How can you be familiar with dual runways. SF is indeed HAIRY. My heart goes out.
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They're coming


Dean, any guesses besides the Dominion coming for us?Wink
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

They're coming


Dean, any guesses besides the Dominion coming for us?Wink
Since the Dominion would be in the gamma quadrant of the Milky Way and these signals come from outside the Milky Way, they wouldn't be on my list of guesses anyway Tongue
 
While these Fast Radio Bursts have been known about for 6 years and studdied for 4, the data all comes from one radio telescope - I would expect that confirmation and corroboration would be needed before we get too excited.
 
Deep space objects and phenomena are not only a long way away, what we see of them now occured a long time in the past. These Fast Radio Burst are estimated to be 6-11 billion light-years distant, which means whatever created them happened 6-11 billion years ago - before the Solar System existed and while the Milky Way was forming and then grouping into our local supercluster (of some 54 galaxies). Also, since the Universe is expanding and the speed with which objects are "expanding" away form each other is proportional to their distance apart it means that really distant objects (ie over 9 billion light-years apart) are expanding away from each other faster than the speed of light... [the expanding Universe has a tendancy to "do your head in" if you think about it too much, neither object is travelling faster than light]. Since whatever caused these FRBs are very distant, and the space between us and them is expanding at a light speed or there abouts (assuming they stil exist) ity may be more accurate to say "They're going"
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it just sounds like residual energy signals from some gigantic collision or something
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Dean, Trying to get my head around this stuff is funLOLWacko.....physics is not exactly a strong suit.  Thanks very much for the explanation, I enjoy the way you present it!




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Not exactly news but incredible journalism.

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