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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 20:24
^ it's the same kind of gratitude we have for Golem in Lord Of The Rings for despite his evil intentions still brought balance to the kingdoms. Reality is a tricky strange bird indeed

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 20:27
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'm sorry but i didn't read every single post so forgive me if i am repeating something or seem oblivious to the what has been said before.

My jewish friends have explained to me that one of the major factors in the holocaust had to do with economics.

That means that Christianity which most Germans practiced at the time forbad certain economic practices whereas the Jews did not adhere to. Therefore the Jews gained an upper hand on the economic level which caused social distortion. Thus badness occurred in the form of the usual human jealousy and negative emotion thingeeism. Badness raised its ugly head and lots of people died. Badness ruled. Fortunately we should be thankful for all those who resisted especially the Soviet Union who tore the guts out of the Nazi regime and were instrumental in its demise. 

True, this is not anything new and sadly it hasn't gone away. I've seen very reasonable people I know personally (left, right and libertarian) get into borderline dark places when they get into zionism and intl banking cabals.They always stop short of something really horrible but ya know...still a little too close for me. 

And yeah that's the f**ked up part of it all. Jews were kind of forced into banking as a natural lifestyle due to religious views and being forbidden from working most jobs. Then "all jews are greedy bankers who own the world and fund our wars! Damn intl zionist banking cabals" etc etc As you said, jealousy (and racism) is a nasty nasty thing. 

Absolutely, the Cold War seems to have minimized the impact of the Soviet Union who fought I think 90% of all the Nazi forces at one point, and gave up shocking numbers of lives. The landing in France and that theater is so dramatized and hyped up, to think 8/10 Germany Army deaths happened on the Eastern Front. 

The Soviet Union not only played a huge role in beating Nazi Germany, but they also were responsible for beating Japan (it was not, like some people seem to believe, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki). He may have been a human pile of garbage but I have to give "beating the Nazis" to Stalin (despite his earlier capitulation, which to be fair was not unique of him).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 20:28
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:



I think you will agree that this declaration of friendship is not unproblematic



It's called diplomatic language, common in each and every international treaty.

Most important is what they say:

- Catholic clergy can't join the party or participate in the war.
- Minorities will be respected.
- Catholic rights will be respected.

THAT'S ALL.



PS: Perú and Ecuador signed the Peace, Friendship and Limits treaty........Do you believe we were friends?

Nope, we hated our guts for decades, each few years we had a small war, that's diplomatic language.

Ivan, a pact with the devil remains a pact with the devil: no matter what you gain for it you lose your soul. by signing the Reichskonkordat pope Pius made the Nazis socially acceptable..

I much more admire the attitude of Dietrich Bonhoeffer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer) than the attitude of pope Pius


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 20:38
"Ivan, a pact with the devil remains a pact with the devil: no matter what you gain for it you lose your soul. by signing the Reichskonkordat pope Pius made the Nazis socially acceptable.."

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i so agree with that 
once you lose your soul you have nothing to lose

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 21:06
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Ivan, a pact with the devil remains a pact with the devil: no matter what you gain for it you lose your soul. by signing the Reichskonkordat pope Pius made the Nazis socially acceptable..

Not true

- In 1935, UK signed the  Anglo-German Naval Agreement with the Nazis.
- Romania signed the German-Romanian Treaty for the Development of Economic Relations in 1939.
- THE WHOLE WORLD LEGALIZED THE NAZI REGIME IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES IN BERLIN 1936

The Concordat was signed in 1933, wen the NAZI regime was legal for the  world

Remember, the NAZIS need no acceptability that the Church could provide in 1933, they were LEGAL and acepote by the whole world.

- USA had embassy in Berlin until 1939
- UK had embassy until 1939 represented by Sir Nevile Meyrick Henderson
- France had embassy in Berlin until 1939 and of course after also.

The NAZIS didn't required any legality, they were legal until 1939


Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I much more admire the attitude of Dietrich Bonhoeffer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer) than the attitude of pope Pius

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer was one of thousand of pastors easily replaceable, he didn't had 30 million Catholics to care about in Germany.

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer didn't had 100 million Catholics to worry about in occupied territories.

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer didn't saved a single Jewish life, while Pius XII saved 860,000 jews who where his responsibility, thanks to the Reichskonkordat that guaranteed the neutrality of the Vatican.

That's the difference when you have responsibilities and other persons to care about.

Don´t you believe it would had been easier for Pius to leave to Great Britain with his cardinals  in 1933 and leave all the Catholics unprotected?

Don't you believe it's more heroic to stay there without protection and hide almost a million Jews while everybody ran and after excommunicating Hitler and all the Nazi leaders? 

Yes, it would had been easier, but he stayed and saved millions of Jews, POWS and other persecuted.

If he had insulted Hitler and run to London or USA like De Gaulle, everybody would say "What a brave man"

But he would had left millions of Catholics alone, without the neutrality of the Vatican to hide.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2017 at 21:57
Learn something, when you have millions of persons who depend on you, you have tio do what's necessary to help them.

The Concordat guaranteed

a) Respect for the life of the 30 million Catholics in Germany
b) Respect for the life of the 100 million Catholics in the occupied territories
c) Neutrality of the Vatican...Every aviator who fell in Italy was ordered to go to the Vatican.
d) Hundred of thousand of fake baptism certificates for Jewish kids signed by the Pope that were 100% legitimate for any authority.
e) Extra territoriality of every Catholic Church in Germany or occupied territories where people could be hidden.
f) Thousands of fake Seminar certificates that had to be accepted by the Nazis, allowing people who would otherwise been killed to live

Herbert Kappler ( head of German police and security services ( Sicherheitspolizei and SD) in Rome) asked the Pope to let him in the Vatican to arrest Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty, who had saved more POWS han the resistance and to search for jews and enemies of the Reich, The Pope said no, he was threatened, but he defended the neutrality of the Vatican with the Concordat....The Concordat guaranteed the extra territoriality of the Castel Gandolfo Palace, where 5,000 jews were hidden.

That's what his goal and his achievement.

860,000 Jewish people who lived hanks to the Vatican....Nobody did that....With a silly Concordat, he achieved his goal, but with the risk of not knowing which day Hitler woke in bad mopod and occupied the Vatican.....But he stayed there.

Read this and tell me if was not worth

Interview with Historian David Dalin of New York

RIMINI, Italy, AUG. 28, 2001 (ZENIT.org-Avvenire).- What does New York Rabbi David Dalin think of Pope Pius XII?


"The Jewish people had no greater friend in the 20th century," says the historian.

According to Rabbi Dalin, who last Wednesday addressed the meeting organized by the Catholic movement Communion and Liberation, "during the Second World War, Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than any other person, including Raoul Wallenberg and Oskar Schindler."


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Rabbi Dalin: Today there is a new generation of journalists and experts determined to discredit the documented efforts of Pius XII to save the Jews during the Holocaust. This generation is inspired by Rolf Hochhuth's play "The Vicar," which has no historical value, but levels controversial accusations against this Pope. However, Eugenio Pacelli's detractors ignore or neglect Pinchas Lapide's enlightening study.

[Lapide] was consul general of Israel in Milan and met with many Italian Jews who survived the Holocaust. In his work, Lapide documents how Pius XII worked for the salvation of at least 700,000 from the hands of the Nazis. However, according to another estimate, this figure rises to 860,000.


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Pius XII was not Hitler's Pope, but the greatest defender that we Jews have ever had, and precisely at the time when we needed it.

This new work of historiography should be based in the judgment that his contemporaries made of the efforts, successes and failures of Pius XII, as well as of the way in which the Jews who survived the Holocaust evaluated (or revaluated) his life and influence in the succeeding decades.

Pope Pacelli was righteous among the nations, who must be recognized for having protected and saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. It is difficult to imagine that so many world Jewish leaders, in such different continents, could have been mistaken or confused when it came to praising the Pope's conduct during the War. Their gratitude to Pius XII lasted a long time, and it was genuine and profound.

Zenit - The World Seen From Rome 
28. august 2001



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:01
^ great points but even if you sell your soul for the benefit of others, you've still lost it. this stuff will be debated until the end of time. when it comes down to it everyone made mistakes. it was an incomprehensibly awful time to live through

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:24
Thinking that priests, just because they are ordained and promise to follow the dictates of their cult and their Fuhrer in Rome, will act different than any other type of human in the face of terror, is absurd. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:28
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

They gave the world the VW Beetle, the autobahn and anti-vivisectionism, (though rather than experiment on animals they used concentration camp victims instead), and if you were white, christian and German you would have had a pretty good standard of life as they improved the German welfare system considerably. But they aren't really a product or consequence of fascism.
 
 
mmmmmmmmmm.... I would think that the best contribution is that Mengele's experiments provided huge progress for modern surgery and medicine in general. At least the atrocities he did were not completely lost... By now, we (medicine) have probably saved many million people more since the death camp than the death camps achieved
 
Ditto with reaction engine, which are for planes and rockets... but given the huge pollution of this invention, is that "any good" to mankind or our planet? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:36
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
 
mmmmmmmmmm.... I would think that the best contribution is that Mengele's experiments provided huge progress for modern surgery and medicine in general. At least the atrocities he did were not completely lost... By now, we (medicine) have probably saved many million people more since the death camp than the death camps achieved
 

Confused Wat... Mengele's experiment didn't accomplish absolutely anything. At best and being very generous we can say that the idea of twin studies was eventually very important in genetics but his experiments didn't ever do anything but subject people to torture. 
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HISTORY

Top 10 Things The Nazis Got Right

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The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi party) is one of the most infamous political systems in the history of the earth, made famous by their severe acts of cruelty and completely inhuman behavior. Despite that, the Nazi government implemented a number of policies which were for the good of their people and those of the future; many of these policies are now implemented by our own governments. 

Please note: this list is NOT an endorsement of the Nazi regime which is, clearly, one of the most evil in history – second only to Stalinist Russia. This list hopefully shows that even amidst great evil, the good of man is still able to shine through. This list is an homage to those men and women living in Nazi Germany who were able to make change for good whilst living under a severely corrupt and wrong regime.

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Banning of Vivisection

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Nazi Germany was the first country to ban vivisection in the world, enacting a total ban in April 1933. The measure to ban vivisection was a huge concern and was put forth to the Reichstag as early as 1927. High ranking Nazis such as Hermann Goring, Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Hitler were very concerned about animal conservation, particularly pertaining as to how animals were butchered. Most current laws in Germany, and indeed the world, are derived from the laws put forth by the Nazi Party. This is, obviously, incredibly ironic as while on the one hand they defended the lives of brute animals, whilst on the other hand cruelly slaughtered Catholics, homosexuals, gypsies, and jews.

Hermann Goring, who was established as the Prime Minister of Prussia, had this to say:

“An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself…. I have therefore announced the immediate prohibition of vivisection and have made the practice a punishable offense in Prussia. 

Until such time as punishment is pronounced the culprit shall be lodged in a concentration camp.”

The above picture is a cartoon showing animals saved from vivisection saluting Hermann Goring. The sign in the window says “Vivisection Forbidden”. 

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Animal Conservation

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When the Nazis came to power in 1933, their concerns not only laid with the people, but with the animals native to Germany. In 1934, a national hunting law was passed to regulate how many animals could be killed per year, and to establish proper ‘hunting seasons’. These hunting laws have now been applied in most western countries.

This law was known as Das Reichsjagdgesetz, the Reich Hunting Law. The Reichstag also footed the bill for education on animal conservation at Primary, Secondary and College levels. Additionally, in 1935, another law was passed, the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz (Reich Nature Protection Act). This law placed several native species on a protection list including the wolf and Eurasian lynx. Additions were added later as to afforestation and the humane slaughter of living fish. 

Without this law it is likely some species would have completely disappeared from Germany’s forests.

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Anti-Tobacco Movement

German Anti-Smoking Ad

It is rumored that Adolf Hitler was so opposed to smoking in his later life that he couldn’t stand someone lighting up in the same room, and often felt obligated to object to it as a waste of money. Thus, he began one of the most expensive and effective tobacco movements throughout history. While during the 1930s and 1940s, other anti-tobacco movements failed fantastically in other countries, it was taken seriously in Nazi Germany.

The Nazis banned smoking in restaurants and public transportation systems, citing public health, and severely regulated the advertising of smoking and cigarettes. There was also a high tobacco tax, and the supplies of cigarettes to the Wehrmacht were rationed. Several health organizations in Nazi Germany even began claiming that smoking heightened the risks of miscarriages by pregnant women, now a commonly known fact.

The statistics of annual cigarette consumption per capita as of 1940 had Germany at only 749, while Americans smoked over 3,000.

The picture above says “He does not devour it, it [the cigarette] devours him!”


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Welfare Programs

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Nazi Germany had one of the largest public welfare programs in history, based on the philosophy that all Germans should share a standard of living. 

One of the most famous of these was the Winter Relief program, where high ranking Nazis and common citizens both took to the streets to collect charity for the unfortunate. This was not only an extremely intelligent propaganda move, but also a ritual to generate general good public feeling toward those in need. Posters urged people to donate rather than give directly to beggars. Joseph Goebbels, himself a high ranking Nazi in control of Radio, Television and Propaganda, often participated in these events. 

But how was the cost of this met? Largely from the stealing of belongings from those people considered enemies of the regime. The Nazi government stole immense amounts of money from their population and used it to fund a social welfare scheme that favored select members of society. Modern schemes modeled on this system are funded by taxes that steal from everyone. 

Pictured above is a canister used for the Winter Relief Fund effort.

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The Volkswagen

Nazi Volkswagen

Literally meaning “People’s Car”, this vehicle was presented as a car that every German citizen could afford to buy. It was based on the advice of Hitler to the designer, saying that it should resemble a beetle. The car was a huge success (it was made available to citizens of the Third Reich through a savings scheme at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle), but toward the end of the war resources were low and public availability declined. The Volkswagen emerged more as a military vehicle toward the end of the Third Reich. 

However this has not stopped it from being one of the most popular vehicles in the world, known for reliability, stylish design (though some might question that!) and ease of use.

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Autobahn

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While not originally conceived by the Nazis, Hitler was an enthusiastic supporter of the idea and pushed for the largest network of roads to be built across Germany. Established as the first freeway system in the world, the autobahn was a revolutionary feat of engineering that forever changed the way humans travel. Thousands of countries have emulated the system Hitler put in place, including America and Britain. It is single handedly the largest network of roadways in the world, with roads stretching all across the country, even to other countries such as Austria.

The construction of this roadway wasn’t only revolutionary in itself, it provided over 100,000 workers with jobs necessary for the economic recovery efforts. It was a goal of the Nazi party to try and bring the country into a sense of unity through the roadway system, and for the most part it was successful. Aircraft was tested on the long, smooth, straight sections of road and Grand Prix racing teams are known to practice on them.


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Father of Modern Rocketry

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The man who invented rockets as we know them today, Wernher Von Braun, was a member of the Nazi party and commissioned Schutzstaffel Officer. He aided both Germany and the United States in the use of rockets during and after WW2, and eventually became a naturalized U.S. Citizen. 

Although he pioneered many areas, including the installation of liquid-fueled rockets in aircraft and orbit to ground missiles, he is best known for his achievements in NASA.

His best achievement there was undoubtedly the development of the Saturn V booster rocket, that helped man to finally touch the moon, in July 1969. Von Braun officially opened the gate to space travel through his innovative inventions…as well as creating one of the most destructive methods of war known to mankind. 

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Innovations in Film

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The Nazis were very interested in both film and music as propaganda techniques and essential cultural pillars. The first known magnetic tape recording was of a speech made by Hitler, and Joseph Goebbels pushed for more complicated methods of filming. 

For example, the propaganda film ‘Triumph of the Will’, the sequel to the former propaganda film ‘Triumph of the Faith’, is regarded as one of the most important pieces of cinematographic history. The director, Leini Riefenstahl (pictured above) used an astounding thirty film cameras and over one hundred technicians to produce the two hour film. Since Triumph of the Will had an unlimited budget, the latest technologies were used. Cranes and track-rail filming were used, techniques still used today to make a smooth ‘traveling’ effect. 

Ultimately, the propaganda films are dead, but the techniques developed at the time are seen regularly in the latest great Hollywood blockbusters.

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Contributions to Fashion

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The Nazi style of uniform was as bold as their style of government. Thick-soled leather boots, slouch hats, cowhide coats, and peak hats were some of the staples in Nazi fashion, as well as muted color tones often in gray, tan and black. The SS Panzer military organization struck fear into the hearts of their adversaries, with black forage caps and leather coats which were later adopted by American rockers. Doc Martens closely resemble the jump boots that many Schutzstaffel officers wore. Look around at any rock, industrial or otherwise ‘edgy’ group and you see small traces of Nazi fashion sense. The American novelist Kurt Vonnegut once described the style as ‘mildly theatrical’. 

Additionally, the founder of Adidas, Adolf Dassler (whose nickname was Adi), was a Nazi. He produced shoes for the Wehrmacht during the war, as well was providing American and Nazi athletes with his footwear during the Berlin Olympics. This created national acclaim when Jesse Owens won the sprinting event at the Berlin Olympics wearing Adolf Dassler’s shoes. Adidas is now a multinational company, supplying athletes all over the world with a supply of footwear and sports accessories.

His brother, Rudolf Dassler, was the more ardent Nazi of the two brothers and went on to found another proficient sports company…Puma. Oh – and Hugo Boss was a Nazi who, from 1934, was an official supplier of uniforms to the SA, SS, Hitler Youth, NSKK and other Party organizations (as evidenced in the advertisement above).

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Medical Advances

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The death of ethics from medicine in Nazi Germany was a sinful, reckless, and dangerous decision, leading to untold atrocities; it has created one of the most extensive ethical controversies in history. Through the Nazi use of torture they discovered information that is discretely used by doctors and medical scientists today. For example, the Nazis extensively studied and monitored hypothermia, at Dachau concentration camp, by subjecting victims to severe torture. The Nazis immersed victims in vats of freezing water or left them out in the winter cold, all the while monitoring changes in body temperature, heart rate, muscle responses and urine. These tests were initially performed on volunteer soldiers, but the Nazis were not satisfied that they had all the information they could get and began to test on concentration camp victims. They attempted to formulate methods to bring the bodies back to a safe temperature, including the “Rapid Active Rewarming” technique that seemed to be the most effective method of revival – and is used today in the west. This research could potentially fill a gap in other researchers studying hypothermia.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:46
^Damn, I think after that, we all need to be learning the Horst Wessel lied and go support our local NSDAP affiliate... (for US franchise opportunities information please call the White House ask for Mr. Bannon) 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:54
^ this is just an article i copied. i'm not necessarily in agreement that they got anything "right." They simply did it first.

Another thing i just discovered is that the Nazis were very influential on the very first recordings of the music industry and helped established 440 hz as standard tuning when research had already proven that 432 hz was more resonant with human biology. Therefore their influence has kept music incongreant with human harmony for decades. While i can't prove this is true i'm in the process of further investigation

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:57
The thing is, all of these supposed advances have little to do specifically with the NSDAP. Leni Riefenstahl was extremely important for cinema, yes, but not because of the Nazi Party. She was the talented one. Same with many of these examples where individual talent is for some reason ascribed to the Party.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 07:59
To JJLehto, who said the following:
"But to call it radical left? That's quite unrealistic. It by no means sought to replace capitalism first of all, it was just a different form, and clearly it was not anti big business. And from what I understand, the workers and small business didn't exactly fare super well under Fascism.
Anyway true leftism doesn't even like central planning. Hell Leon Trotsky of all people said central planning was a bad idea. I can't blame you. For decades we've all been taught socialism/leftism = more more government! China or fascism is the end result, so I get the confusion but please don't say fascism is radical left. That's nonsense"

Ok. Let's get started.
A different form of what? of capitalism? you are way off!
The nazis were radical left, and they've created the footprints of the modern left wing politics around the world.
It's not about brute force, or beheading a leader anymore. They've improved the russian formula quite a bit, and it's been copied all around since the end of WWII.

Of course the nazis were FOR big businesses and AGAINST small businesses. That’s called eliminating the middle class by taxation. You should know that’s a marxist idea.
You basically destroy small businesses by taxing them way too high. The core of this is eliminating competition, aka. Getting rid of capitalism.
As you eliminate businesses and jobs and people become homeless, they turn to welfare and support the very State that left them living under a bridge.
Suppose there’s a big company that turns a lot of profit, what you do is tax competition out of business, make a small company struggle, having to raise the prices in order to keep from falling.
Now, as you take away lots of money from the small, common middle class family business, you give exemptions and privileges to the big corpo. The big company can afford to lower the prices as the small ones crumble. They take 100% of the market, and in return they pay back the favor. It’s a win-win situation for the State.
Once everyone supports you, you just snatch the big corpos who helped you, and you’re settled.
That’s how things work today and that’s how the nazis did it.
Look for IG Farben, for instance, if you are into monopolies.
I’m pretty sure modern politicans wouldn’t take your money away by force in order to give it to General Motors XD LOL
Leftism is about central planning, even if they tell you they don’t like it. The idea for them is that until a “new man” emerges, you need the State in order to stop capitalism and private property. When we finally reach that point, you get rid of it and you’ll have achieved communism.
The thing is that, as soon as you get rid of the State, people go back to chopping wood in order to make houses and guitars, and boom…there you go, private property again. That’s how life is, and that’s fine. You make guitars, I’m a teacher…I work and I buy one of your cool six-string axes. Free relationship between individuals.
For instance: let’s suppose a World Govt. is established and we all receive the same amount of money. 10k for everyone! Equality! As soon as you hand out the money, some would invest it in hammers and tools, some would waste it on alcohol and hookers, some would buy sheep and cows. Since there’s no way of achieving communism because we are not robots, the State is there to stay. That’s why leftism IS and will ALWAYS be about big government. The nazis perfected the way of getting into office.
Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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^ The Nazis were not Marxist. True they took certain ideas from Marx but taxation was not one of them. In fact the Nazis were in truth the biggest thieves in history as they stole symbols (the swastika is a universal sign in many cultures), they stole philosophies including esoteric mysticism from Tibet and they stole concepts to great success. I have listened to quite a few documentaries claiming that they even fled Germany before the US got involved and set up bases in Antarctica and were the first to set up colonies in space which led to secret space programs that have been going on since. I have listened to hundreds of hours of whistleblower testimonies that claim these things. Do i believe these things? No definitive proof has been laid out but given all the info i've digested, i do have to place these things in my "possibility" files

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 09:34
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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Top 10 Things The Nazis Got Right

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The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi party) is one of the most infamous political systems in the history of the earth, made famous by their severe acts of cruelty and completely inhuman behavior. Despite that, the Nazi government implemented a number of policies which were for the good of their people and those of the future; many of these policies are now implemented by our own governments. 

Please note: this list is NOT an endorsement of the Nazi regime which is, clearly, one of the most evil in history – second only to Stalinist Russia. This list hopefully shows that even amidst great evil, the good of man is still able to shine through. This list is an homage to those men and women living in Nazi Germany who were able to make change for good whilst living under a severely corrupt and wrong regime.

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Banning of Vivisection

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Nazi Germany was the first country to ban vivisection in the world, enacting a total ban in April 1933. The measure to ban vivisection was a huge concern and was put forth to the Reichstag as early as 1927. High ranking Nazis such as Hermann Goring, Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Hitler were very concerned about animal conservation, particularly pertaining as to how animals were butchered. Most current laws in Germany, and indeed the world, are derived from the laws put forth by the Nazi Party. This is, obviously, incredibly ironic as while on the one hand they defended the lives of brute animals, whilst on the other hand cruelly slaughtered Catholics, homosexuals, gypsies, and jews.

Hermann Goring, who was established as the Prime Minister of Prussia, had this to say:

“An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself…. I have therefore announced the immediate prohibition of vivisection and have made the practice a punishable offense in Prussia. 

Until such time as punishment is pronounced the culprit shall be lodged in a concentration camp.”

The above picture is a cartoon showing animals saved from vivisection saluting Hermann Goring. The sign in the window says “Vivisection Forbidden”. 

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Animal Conservation

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When the Nazis came to power in 1933, their concerns not only laid with the people, but with the animals native to Germany. In 1934, a national hunting law was passed to regulate how many animals could be killed per year, and to establish proper ‘hunting seasons’. These hunting laws have now been applied in most western countries.

This law was known as Das Reichsjagdgesetz, the Reich Hunting Law. The Reichstag also footed the bill for education on animal conservation at Primary, Secondary and College levels. Additionally, in 1935, another law was passed, the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz (Reich Nature Protection Act). This law placed several native species on a protection list including the wolf and Eurasian lynx. Additions were added later as to afforestation and the humane slaughter of living fish. 

Without this law it is likely some species would have completely disappeared from Germany’s forests.

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Anti-Tobacco Movement

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It is rumored that Adolf Hitler was so opposed to smoking in his later life that he couldn’t stand someone lighting up in the same room, and often felt obligated to object to it as a waste of money. Thus, he began one of the most expensive and effective tobacco movements throughout history. While during the 1930s and 1940s, other anti-tobacco movements failed fantastically in other countries, it was taken seriously in Nazi Germany.

The Nazis banned smoking in restaurants and public transportation systems, citing public health, and severely regulated the advertising of smoking and cigarettes. There was also a high tobacco tax, and the supplies of cigarettes to the Wehrmacht were rationed. Several health organizations in Nazi Germany even began claiming that smoking heightened the risks of miscarriages by pregnant women, now a commonly known fact.

The statistics of annual cigarette consumption per capita as of 1940 had Germany at only 749, while Americans smoked over 3,000.

The picture above says “He does not devour it, it [the cigarette] devours him!”


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Welfare Programs

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Nazi Germany had one of the largest public welfare programs in history, based on the philosophy that all Germans should share a standard of living. 

One of the most famous of these was the Winter Relief program, where high ranking Nazis and common citizens both took to the streets to collect charity for the unfortunate. This was not only an extremely intelligent propaganda move, but also a ritual to generate general good public feeling toward those in need. Posters urged people to donate rather than give directly to beggars. Joseph Goebbels, himself a high ranking Nazi in control of Radio, Television and Propaganda, often participated in these events. 

But how was the cost of this met? Largely from the stealing of belongings from those people considered enemies of the regime. The Nazi government stole immense amounts of money from their population and used it to fund a social welfare scheme that favored select members of society. Modern schemes modeled on this system are funded by taxes that steal from everyone. 

Pictured above is a canister used for the Winter Relief Fund effort.

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The Volkswagen

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Literally meaning “People’s Car”, this vehicle was presented as a car that every German citizen could afford to buy. It was based on the advice of Hitler to the designer, saying that it should resemble a beetle. The car was a huge success (it was made available to citizens of the Third Reich through a savings scheme at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle), but toward the end of the war resources were low and public availability declined. The Volkswagen emerged more as a military vehicle toward the end of the Third Reich. 

However this has not stopped it from being one of the most popular vehicles in the world, known for reliability, stylish design (though some might question that!) and ease of use.

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Autobahn

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While not originally conceived by the Nazis, Hitler was an enthusiastic supporter of the idea and pushed for the largest network of roads to be built across Germany. Established as the first freeway system in the world, the autobahn was a revolutionary feat of engineering that forever changed the way humans travel. Thousands of countries have emulated the system Hitler put in place, including America and Britain. It is single handedly the largest network of roadways in the world, with roads stretching all across the country, even to other countries such as Austria.

The construction of this roadway wasn’t only revolutionary in itself, it provided over 100,000 workers with jobs necessary for the economic recovery efforts. It was a goal of the Nazi party to try and bring the country into a sense of unity through the roadway system, and for the most part it was successful. Aircraft was tested on the long, smooth, straight sections of road and Grand Prix racing teams are known to practice on them.


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Father of Modern Rocketry

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The man who invented rockets as we know them today, Wernher Von Braun, was a member of the Nazi party and commissioned Schutzstaffel Officer. He aided both Germany and the United States in the use of rockets during and after WW2, and eventually became a naturalized U.S. Citizen. 

Although he pioneered many areas, including the installation of liquid-fueled rockets in aircraft and orbit to ground missiles, he is best known for his achievements in NASA.

His best achievement there was undoubtedly the development of the Saturn V booster rocket, that helped man to finally touch the moon, in July 1969. Von Braun officially opened the gate to space travel through his innovative inventions…as well as creating one of the most destructive methods of war known to mankind. 

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Innovations in Film

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The Nazis were very interested in both film and music as propaganda techniques and essential cultural pillars. The first known magnetic tape recording was of a speech made by Hitler, and Joseph Goebbels pushed for more complicated methods of filming. 

For example, the propaganda film ‘Triumph of the Will’, the sequel to the former propaganda film ‘Triumph of the Faith’, is regarded as one of the most important pieces of cinematographic history. The director, Leini Riefenstahl (pictured above) used an astounding thirty film cameras and over one hundred technicians to produce the two hour film. Since Triumph of the Will had an unlimited budget, the latest technologies were used. Cranes and track-rail filming were used, techniques still used today to make a smooth ‘traveling’ effect. 

Ultimately, the propaganda films are dead, but the techniques developed at the time are seen regularly in the latest great Hollywood blockbusters.

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Contributions to Fashion

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The Nazi style of uniform was as bold as their style of government. Thick-soled leather boots, slouch hats, cowhide coats, and peak hats were some of the staples in Nazi fashion, as well as muted color tones often in gray, tan and black. The SS Panzer military organization struck fear into the hearts of their adversaries, with black forage caps and leather coats which were later adopted by American rockers. Doc Martens closely resemble the jump boots that many Schutzstaffel officers wore. Look around at any rock, industrial or otherwise ‘edgy’ group and you see small traces of Nazi fashion sense. The American novelist Kurt Vonnegut once described the style as ‘mildly theatrical’. 

Additionally, the founder of Adidas, Adolf Dassler (whose nickname was Adi), was a Nazi. He produced shoes for the Wehrmacht during the war, as well was providing American and Nazi athletes with his footwear during the Berlin Olympics. This created national acclaim when Jesse Owens won the sprinting event at the Berlin Olympics wearing Adolf Dassler’s shoes. Adidas is now a multinational company, supplying athletes all over the world with a supply of footwear and sports accessories.

His brother, Rudolf Dassler, was the more ardent Nazi of the two brothers and went on to found another proficient sports company…Puma. Oh – and Hugo Boss was a Nazi who, from 1934, was an official supplier of uniforms to the SA, SS, Hitler Youth, NSKK and other Party organizations (as evidenced in the advertisement above).

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Medical Advances

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The death of ethics from medicine in Nazi Germany was a sinful, reckless, and dangerous decision, leading to untold atrocities; it has created one of the most extensive ethical controversies in history. Through the Nazi use of torture they discovered information that is discretely used by doctors and medical scientists today. For example, the Nazis extensively studied and monitored hypothermia, at Dachau concentration camp, by subjecting victims to severe torture. The Nazis immersed victims in vats of freezing water or left them out in the winter cold, all the while monitoring changes in body temperature, heart rate, muscle responses and urine. These tests were initially performed on volunteer soldiers, but the Nazis were not satisfied that they had all the information they could get and began to test on concentration camp victims. They attempted to formulate methods to bring the bodies back to a safe temperature, including the “Rapid Active Rewarming” technique that seemed to be the most effective method of revival – and is used today in the west. This research could potentially fill a gap in other researchers studying hypothermia.



the animal conversation is actually nonsense; I just watched a TV-feature about this topic today. what the Nazis actually wanted is the preservation of existing and recreation of extinct animals which they considered to be "Germanic" like for example the wolf (existing) or the aurochs (extinct). this actually means that they extended their racial theories to the animal kingdom


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 09:48
^ it's interesting to hear a perspective from a German. We are bombarded with all kinds of info regarding that period of history and i personally take everything with a grain of salt. I tend to agree that if a group sees other humans as mere fodder for their machine then it's certainly logical that they would only use animals for their own purposes as well. However, that doesn't mean an unintentional good idea didn't come out of it which i think is the purpose of the article. Yellowstone National Park was the first such type of protected area in the world and it didn't come from the Führer :P

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 10:17
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ it's interesting to hear a perspective from a German.
Jean isn't a German. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 10:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ it's interesting to hear a perspective from a German.
Jean isn't a German. Wink

well, not by birth. but I hold German citizenship since 2001


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