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I'm waiting for the "post-materalist science" crap. You're so predictable, spiritualists. Thumbs Down
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And so are you anti spiritualists, I dare say. LOL

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Anti? I'm happy to be predictable in such contexts. Wink
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As long as no one can prove without a shadow of a doubt that consciousness is only a function of the brain, spiritualists will be around for a long time, I'm afraid.
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^ You changed "anti materialilst" to "anti spiritualist". Please clarify it next time you do something like this.

1-) I didn't give it any thought before. I'm more of a "anti-spiritualist" than an "anti spiritualilsm", I guess. Perhaps post-spiritualists can convince me on some things about their "field"(?)

2-) Material world does not disappear. So it is not a philosophical issue. Post-materialism is pure garbage for me, for this reason.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

As long as no one can prove without a shadow of a doubt that consciousness is only a function of the brain, spiritualists will be around for a long time, I'm afraid.


This has all been proven. You're just not paying attention. The whole term anti-matterists and whatever crazy terminology has been devised forgets that matter is nothing more than energy vibrating at a certain frequency! Spirit science is real. Every single thing, both material and non have a signature spectral frequency that can be replicated. These things have been taught in ancient cultures (ie. Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism etc) for millennia and only now with the discovery of quantum physics and scalar energy are they being proven through modern methodologies.

Charlatans and sophistry exist in these domains for sure but these cult figures rely on charisma to offer their version of snake oil products and not the actual scientific method. This is a young science for sure and there are many unknowns of course! Did microwaves not exist 1000s of years ago simply because we didn't know about them? Skepticism is a good thing but exploration and discovery relies on an investigative openness that allows the field of probabilities to express themselves in a way that advancement can be obtained through the rigorousness observation. 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

As long as no one can prove without a shadow of a doubt that consciousness is only a function of the brain, spiritualists will be around for a long time, I'm afraid.


This has all been proven. You're just not paying attention. The whole term anti-matterists and whatever crazy terminology has been devised forgets that matter is nothing more than energy vibrating at a certain frequency! Spirit science is real. Every single thing, both material and non have a signature spectral frequency that can be replicated. These things have been taught in ancient cultures (ie. Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism etc) for millennia and only now with the discovery of quantum physics and scalar energy are they being proven through modern methodologies.

Charlatans and sophistry exist in these domains for sure but these cult figures rely on charisma to offer their version of snake oil products and not the actual scientific method. This is a young science for sure and there are many unknowns of course! Did microwaves not exist 1000s of years ago simply because we didn't know about them? Skepticism is a good thing but exploration and discovery relies on an investigative openness that allows the field of probabilities to express themselves in a way that advancement can be obtained through the rigorousness observation. 
Oh, I was paying attention. I just don't agree. When an emotion can be proved to be an energy vibrating at a certain frequency, then I'll agree.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ You changed "anti materialilst" to "anti spiritualist". Please clarify it next time you do something like this.

1-) I didn't give it any thought before. I'm more of a "anti-spiritualist" than an "anti spiritualilsm", I guess. Perhaps post-spiritualists can convince me on some things about their "field"(?)

2-) Material world does not disappear. So it is not a philosophical issue. Post-materialism is pure garbage for me, for this reason.
My apologies. You were very quick to respond and I didn't see it. The spirit really moved you. LOL

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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Oh, I was paying attention. I just don't agree. When an emotion can be proved to be an energy vibrating at a certain frequency, then I'll agree.

Hi,

Steve, this has been proven, but it is slightly buried underneath the hardcore studies into "non-ordinary" perceptions and how they work. This "psycho-analytical" series of studies is now over 50 years old and getting really neat and detailed. (ie. The Way of a Seer, for example)

The only issue is that we are too cozy in not giving a darn about learning something else ... what else is new? It will change your "god" views?

Time for a cup of tea!
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ You changed "anti materialilst" to "anti spiritualist". Please clarify it next time you do something like this.

1-) I didn't give it any thought before. I'm more of a "anti-spiritualist" than an "anti spiritualilsm", I guess. Perhaps post-spiritualists can convince me on some things about their "field"(?)

2-) Material world does not disappear. So it is not a philosophical issue. Post-materialism is pure garbage for me, for this reason.

Hi,

Shadow ... my friend, this is getting into areas where I am right, and you are not and vice versa. What is in the "field" is a personal attention ... not a discussion about what I see and what you see, since the colors and perceptions might not be the same!

My favorite thing to say, is that no one ... NO ONE ... can ever say that there is no reality to the "inner" world of our physical/elemental domain. Sop anyone saying that a dream is not real, or a vision is not real or that a perception is not real, I would think that those folks have absolutely no criteria available to disprove that reality whatsoever ... and that "difference" has been the demarcation line for a lot of "occult" and difficult behaviors from the dark ages. It was mostly, defined and designed by religions to prevent the "flock" from leaving ... and like sheep (Robert Penn Warren), we didn't!
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^ The problem with all of us is that we believe all of science to be empirical fact when most of it is theory. The Theory of Relativity is still called the Theory of Relativity. Unless we know what happened before the Big Bang it will remain a theory. The same with all of these investigations that propose that thought is material in some way. Sorry, but it's just theory. (General and Special Relativity are provable mathematically only up to a certain point, the rest is speculation.)

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ You changed "anti materialilst" to "anti spiritualist". Please clarify it next time you do something like this.

1-) I didn't give it any thought before. I'm more of a "anti-spiritualist" than an "anti spiritualilsm", I guess. Perhaps post-spiritualists can convince me on some things about their "field"(?)

2-) Material world does not disappear. So it is not a philosophical issue. Post-materialism is pure garbage for me, for this reason.

Hi,

Shadow ... my friend, this is getting into areas where I am right, and you are not and vice versa. What is in the "field" is a personal attention ... not a discussion about what I see and what you see, since the colors and perceptions might not be the same!

My favorite thing to say, is that no one ... NO ONE ... can ever say that there is no reality to the "inner" world of our physical/elemental domain. Sop anyone saying that a dream is not real, or a vision is not real or that a perception is not real, I would think that those folks have absolutely no criteria available to disprove that reality whatsoever ... and that "difference" has been the demarcation line for a lot of "occult" and difficult behaviors from the dark ages. It was mostly, defined and designed by religions to prevent the "flock" from leaving ... and like sheep (Robert Penn Warren), we didn't!


Good to be able to discuss with you like this, dude; first of all. Wink

While, I choose not to discuss. Visions? Sure. Prophecies? Sure. I know and witnessed lots of mysteries. I have many explanations, some of which might make most others think that I'm a lunatic, and a few might think I'm a genius or the like... Perhaps a mystic too...

I just choose to be a materialist. It makes me happier and more content.

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Now, what scalar energy made me think of this clip?

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To quote Shakespeare: "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

And to quote one of my favorite weird writers from the 60's -80's...
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^ Whatever science tells, man. Rest is interpretation.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

In other words, the true advancement of physics has been suppressed for the last century advancing mainly through clandestine government black budget projects and the military industrial complex. Physics and other sciences taught in public institutions are woefully outdated and with the advancement of understanding of scalar energy we have in effect discovered the interdimensional nature that embodies consciousness, the space-time continuum and what many refer to as spirituality. 



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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ The problem with all of us is that we believe all of science to be empirical fact when most of it is theory. The Theory of Relativity is still called the Theory of Relativity. Unless we know what happened before the Big Bang it will remain a theory. The same with all of these investigations that propose that thought is material in some way. Sorry, but it's just theory. (General and Special Relativity are provable mathematically only up to a certain point, the rest is speculation.)

Hi,

Steve ... trust me ... it's gone way beyond that ... and the Theory of Relativity does not apply, connect or parallel any of it ... it's why it is a "theory" ... and a theory is not a reality ... so us thinking it is the "law" is akin to a religion ... believing just because someone said so, and we think they know more than we do ... 

The studies on "psychic" phenomena have gotten to be insanely amazing with many PHDs out there ... writing fantastic articles about many details of the inner "experience", and it has been so for 50 years, and these studies are not a fallacy, and neither are they stupid and the details of the "investigating" are exceptional, many times "scientific" and very scholarly.

The only thing that is sad is equating it with an idea that was dead in its premise and then having to have us debate with some folks that are simply not well educated in this area, and their fixation is what "they know", and what they "don't know" is not valid ... and that is one of the worst implications of these discussions ... and it becomes a sort of religious ground for the flock -- so to speak!
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

In other words, the true advancement of physics has been suppressed for the last century advancing mainly through clandestine government black budget projects and the military industrial complex. Physics and other sciences taught in public institutions are woefully outdated and with the advancement of understanding of scalar energy we have in effect discovered the interdimensional nature that embodies consciousness, the space-time continuum and what many refer to as spirituality. 

Hi,

It is so, mainly because of its eccentric and (somewhat) exclusive nature ... not because of its contents and studies. The problem is HOW we are brought up and taught, which from day one (and even before some studies suggest!!!), are almost exclusively against the advanced "studies" in all aspects, and your education in schools is even worse ... you don't really get to the "main topic" (so to speak) until you are into your post graduate studies and working on a PHD, for example ... you are, sort of, dumb, to even talk to the professors BEFORE you get that PHD.

It's the same in religions ... although in a couple of them, there is not much emphasis on the dogma as much as there is a lot of emphasis on the person delivering, many of which are "self-appointed" because they can "see" and "hear" their dreams and visions, which they consider ... "God" and separates him/her from the rest of the folks around them, and at that point anyone mentioning dreams and visions is always thought to just seeing things that don't matter to the person in charge! (... no competition, right?)

Once we "let go" of these tendencies, and for many of us, this is a lifetime of studying and application, we can see something else at work and learn more ... but before then ... it's nothing, but just a bunch of words that are best described as an "opinion" ... and that often has very little to do with any possible truth in the matter ... 

Remember that!


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Whatever science tells, man. Rest is interpretation.

It's all interpretation.....but you might like this book..read it some years ago...nice summary of some of the great science mysteries still unsolved.  
When I was a young man, like yourself, ...I thought science was it.....now that I am older and wiser I realize just how little we really understand about the nature of Reality.
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