Prog tracks that you feel get too much hate...

Not sure whether I can say Jethro Tull's "Later Than Same Evening" gets too much hate, but for sure the Under Wraps album gets lots of stick and I don't see people mentioning this truly wonderful song as an exception. (The rest of Under Wraps isn't that bad either, except for the terrible drum sound.)

Faul_McCartney wrote: I think Epping Forest is starting to become my favorite song off the album. As for Moonchild, if they lobbed off the Illusion section (as in some compilations) it would have made for a great single. It really sums up the mood of the album in two and a half minutes. I’m not sure how hated it is, but Devil’s Triangle deserves more love.

I'm not sure why it deserves more love. Not everything Fripp and co do is amazing.
However I do like Providence

Edited by richardh - July 12 2025 at 22:23

Faul_McCartney wrote: When I first heard it I thought it was just meaningless noise. On my last relisten it suddenly clicked (as happens with prog). To me it sounds like a mini Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. .

To me that that would be Cirkus, but yeah there is some connection between Crimson and VDGG stylistically for sure.

I like The Devil's Triangle a lot too but I admit it took me a while to "get" it.

^I know what you said and I know annoying and strange isn't the same. I read your response as if you thought looking at it as annoying, was kind puzzling - or strange. I was obviously wrong. Misinterpretations like that happens every once in a while. Still; I said my piece and you said yours.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^I know what you said and I know annoying and strange isn't the same. I read your response as if you thought looking at it as annoying, was kind puzzling - or strange. I was obviously wrong. Misinterpretations like that happens every once in a while. Still; I said my piece and you said yours.

Good. So let's move on now then.

moshkito wrote: Hi, I can honestly say that the dislike situation has never bothered me

Reading the rest of your post, that statement doesn't ring particularly honest or true to me. Myself I don't really hate any musical expression. Well, that's not entirely true either. But anyway true hatred comes from true love - in a sense. The most awful music I've been exposed to is guys like Drake and modern popular music of that ilk. But I'm too indifferent to actually build up actual hate for it.

My general dislike of Neo Prog ewoke much stronger feelings, probavly as it's closer to home.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - Yesterday at 15:09

Time Table is one of those rare songs in which the verse is stronger than the chorus. Dear Father by Yes is another example.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ... Reading the rest of your post, that statement doesn't ring particularly honest or true to me. Myself I don't really hate any musical expression. Well, that's not entirely true either. ...

HI,

It is honest, and in general, I tend to not say much when I see some of this stuff though I might try to make a point or two about those feelings, possibly not being right.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ... My general dislike of Neo Prog evoke much stronger feelings, probably as it's closer to home.

The sad thing for me, is how much so many folks show their dislike for something, which in my way of seeing is about someone's inability to appreciate music and its many ways of expression, some of which we might not enjoy.

Maybe I'm getting old and all that ... I can sit and watch a 5 year old bang away on a piano, or drum or something else and get a smile and encourage the kid to go on and do more, and often have even tried to get the kid to do more, and more ... which many of them love to do when they are being appreciated. But, from my experiences in theater with actors, even those moments for a kid are important, and they might even, someday take up music, and learn to play and enjoy what they do ... and end up being very different than the idea we have of a school taught musician that can only count, for example.

Hate, maybe, is not appropriate for what is thought as an "art", I guess, and I don't go to the Louvre to hate any paintings, or to Rome to laugh at half the statues and their Christianity ... it is the expression of the time and place, even if controlled by a church or anyone else.

I would hope that, we, as "progressive" folks within a "progressive" forum, would be much more understanding about the music and the arts ... and we end up finding folks that don't care at all! I often question their "progressive" nature.

Edited by moshkito - 20 hours 23 minutes ago at 21:25

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^I've seen your true opinion on bands such as Fleetwood Mac and there was more hate in your disgust for anything post Peter Green there - than I've ever felt towards Neo Prog (which I do not hate in any way. I tend to respond negatively though). ...

Hi,

Not sure where you got that, as I still have several FM albums, though I think the last one I got was Penguin.

I like the band ... no issues there ... what I dislike was that thing at the time they were having ownership issues, and a fake FM band was touring in California instead of the real thing. I found that rather sick, but not sure how the band itself could have prevented it ... and the law in the books, obviously, was really screwed up.

But what was distasteful, was the commercialization when they went ballistic ... and even in Santa Barbara, it was FM every half hour on all the stations in the dial. It's hard to not get ...... about that kind of thing, but something in there was really sad though it helped create a lot of music!

I don't know how we can achieve a nice, and objective view of music, specially "progressive" when we spend our time disliking stuff. Some stuff I don't think is very good, but the most I do with it is do the Spike Milligan touch ... a sock full of custaaaaarrrd (as he says it) ... thrown at the wall. I think the sound was what made us all laugh.

I do, at times, listen to new things and one of the tough things is when it seems to not be very good or well defined, or as the example last week, the guy saying he was inspired by TD ... and I wonder what TD he was listening to since you'll have a hard time finding a TD piece of music that is 3 or 4 minutes long ... and I thought it weird that someone said they were inspired and never realized that TD was not about"songs" but about a literary form of music telling us a story ... all it defines for me is that a lot of folks will do the "sound" but they can never copy it, because they do not have the literary touch/feel that Edgar Froese used as his own inspiration.

All of that, is, hopefully, an attempt hoping the listening to a lot of music is not about a song at all ... and the great masters of the century, it's about the expressive nature of the music ... and rarely is it a 3 or 4 minute song!

This is why a lot of times I separate "music" from "song" ... and for me the best "progressive" material is not about a "song". And this was what a lot of the "art rock" things in the late 1960's were trying hard to show us ... get off that AM rinky dinky sounding stuff! The issue here being that folks today can not imagine how horrendous the sound of AM radio was at that time, and how FM radio was a breath of fresh air ... which helped the music grow HUGE.

We still ignore that fact!