Tool overtakes DT on Top List

Complaining about prog metal is a bit immature, I think. I don´t like great part of the considered prog metal bands and I don´t find the major part progressivel. But I know that there are many good bands listed as prog metal that deserves the prog classification
(DT, Ayreon, Queensriche, for example).
I recently have bought three prog metal cds just because they were cheap and I found them interesting.  I didn´t  know any of the bands before, but I relied on the reviews made by the site and I liked them.

By the way, what I think is generating problems is that the decision of what is prog and what isn´t is upsetting many prog fans. I have some friends that are prog fanatics like me. They would laugh if they saw that Mike Patton is considered progressive and Supertramp only prog-related.

I don´t care for this anymore. As long as the site provides me the info I want, I keep on using it, enjoying it and even helping with the inclusion of artists, when I can.

I hate discussions about how Progressive Metal isn't Progressive or isn't very progressive.  What sickens me is that these statements are given respect and this terrible opinion is shared by other members of this site.  I find this opinion sickening.  I wish that more people would realize that different people enjoy progressive music in different ways. 

bhikkhu wrote:     ^^^ To me, it has nothing to do with liking them or not. I don't Like Marillion with Steve Hogarth, but it's progressive. There are bands that I love that some people want in here, but I don't consider them to be progressive (or progressive enough). I think that sometimes the musicianship is mistaken for complex composition. When I listen to Dream theater, or Tool, I just don't think that the song srtuctures themselves are all that progressive. But, I will back up your love of of them any day of the week.

bhikkhu wrote:   When I listen to Dream theater, or Tool, I just don't think that the song srtuctures themselves are all that progressive.

Ok, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You should consult a professional musician because you obviously don't know too much about song structure ... Dream Theater may have a a very logical approach to song structure, and people may argue that they are not very original or even derivative (which is a subjective decision), but they're *very* far from standard.

bhikkhu wrote: But, I will back up your love of of them any day of the week.

Now that I couldn't care less about. You can't disrespect AND respect these bands (or their supporters) at the same time. Either you respect the opinion of Dream Theater supporters (avoiding the word "fan" here) - even if that implies admitting that you *may* be wrong about DT - or you don't.

The problem is not that I'm 31 years old and someone calls me a youngster - I have no problem with that regardless of whether that is meant to be a joke or whatever. The only problem I have with some of the posters here is:

Disrespect for other opinions

Think about it. You all are entitled to your own opinion, but once you speak about this opinion as if it was fact, you are disrespecting people who have contrary opinions.

Pirkka, also try Pain of Salvation, if you haven't already.  They are the proggiest metal band I know of and infact, I find them borderline metal at times.  If any prog-metal band deserves to be here, it's Pain of Salvation.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: The problem is not that I'm 31 years old and someone calls me a youngster - I have no problem with that regardless of whether that is meant to be a joke or whatever. The only problem I have with some of the posters here is: Disrespect for other opinions Think about it. You all are entitled to your own opinion, but once you speak about this opinion as if it was fact, you are disrespecting people who have contrary opinions.

I couldn't agree more. I have been reading this thread and found that alot (not all) of what people say is just mindless crap and trashing other peoples opinions...

I am no expert in prog, I don't intend to become one...But all I want to do is enjoy and understand the music I listen to. Alot of people are scared to voice their opinions because they can clearly see that other people use this forum to sit there and tell them how wrong they are. Opinions are never wrong...I don't understand how people think that their opinion should be right. You cannot expect other people to respect what you have to say if you sit there and badmouth what other people think.

What I find amusing, is how people can say how wan*ey Dream Theater are...
Dream Theater are a group full of amazing musicians with enormous talent, if you are so skilled...why not show everyone? I find it amazing how tight they can keep their music, changing not only time signatures, but also key changes and rhythms so fluently and so cleanly. They level of songwriting and Ideas they are at impresses me immensely. SFAM is undoubtedly one of the best DT albums (and Prog Metal) albums written so far...I have listened to this album so many times ever since it was released, and I am NEVER sick of it. The very first DT album I heard was Falling Into Infinity....I was 10 years old and I LOVED it. Almost everyone on PA thinks that Falling Into Infinity is an album that should be thought of as trash...thats all well and good, but I enjoy it and thats all that matters to me.

On the other hand...

It took me about a year of casual listening to get into Tool, Fourty Six and Two being the only song I liked. When I eventually got into Tool, I began to realise how great the band was, in fact I loved them. They write a very different style to that of DT, and that is why I like them. Tool and a very different band, using lost of ambient sort of sounds and slow/quiet sections in their songs which is quite easy listening. This is very different to the fast paced, all-band-member solos of DT, and that is why I love Tool. IMO, Aenima is a better album than Lateralus, but thats my problem, no-one elses.

I am 16 years old, and I love prog music, most people at my age enjoy Punk or Rap, I consider myself lucky to be tuning into Progressive Music, and I don't take it for granted.

- Mr. Sanchez

MikeEnRegalia wrote: bhikkhu wrote:   When I listen to Dream theater, or Tool, I just don't think that the song srtuctures themselves are all that progressive. Ok, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You should consult a professional musician because you obviously don't know too much about song structure ... Dream Theater may have a a very logical approach to song structure, and people may argue that they are not very original or even derivative (which is a subjective decision), but they're *very* far from standard. bhikkhu wrote: But, I will back up your love of of them any day of the week. Now that I couldn't care less about. You can't disrespect AND respect these bands (or their supporters) at the same time. Either you respect the opinion of Dream Theater supporters (avoiding the word "fan" here) - even if that implies admitting that you *may* be wrong about DT - or you don't.

Easy there Mike. Although I do know a little bit about music, the first part was just my opinion, and should be taken for what it is. I also don't believe I showed any disrespect. I was talking about progressive aspect, not quality. It is possble to not care for a particular style, and still respect it.
    

This seems to have turned into another DT thread...again.

I don't think that many people, if any, could explain how DT's song structures aren't progressive. I would gladly be open to hearing otherwise though.

Lets take the Riff at the end of Metropolis Part 1 right before the last verse


If that's not a showcase of something progressive and pushing the boundaries, then maybe I'm completely lost and should start listening to Mainstream Punk or something.