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Originally posted by Green Shield Stamp Green Shield Stamp wrote:

I would put 'The Final Cut' in the top 5 of Floyd albums of all time - so, it is definitely not one to avoid.  In many ways I think of it as 'The Wall' part 2.
 
Ones to avoid:
QE2 and Islands by Mike Oldfield
Drama by Yes
Rhapsodies by Rick Wakeman
i by Patrick Moraz
 

Excellent, you hit on three I like QE2, Drama, and i.  I really really like i. LOL
I'm with you on Rhapsodies, I have the LP and no desire to get it on CD even if it is available and I'm not checking to see if it is.
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Drama is my favourite Yes album man.
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In the spirit of the original listing: clunkers by otherwise (arguably) good to great bands, Caravan put out some real crap (I'm thinking Blind Dogs at St. Dustin's for example) that could make one weep after a run of great albums like For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night. They just totally lost their way, moving into a jazz-oriented no-man's land.
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

WARNING: stay away from these 5 prog albums!

Yes, I know its a negative thread but I really sincerely want to know which prog albums we should stay well clear of. Nobody wants to fork out $30 and take home a lemon! Perhaps some of you could enlighten us as to prog we really should avoid like the plague. I will start the ball rolling -
 

I just read a review flaming the following album:

 


<TABLE>
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<TD width=150>Simon Railton - Here It Is CD (album) cover </TD>
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<H1>[COLOR=#810081">HERE IT IS[/COLOR"></H1>
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline">Simon Railton</H2>
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #777">Eclectic </H2></TD></TR></T></TABLE>


And its obvious that this is an appalling album from listening to the samples. It's thin and amateurish!
 

my rating -

OuchOuchOuch Ouch - 4 ouches!

 

We all know we need to stay  clear of :

 

<SPAN title="3.12 out of 5 PA Average Rating Value" style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: #c75d4f">3.12</SPAN> | 245 ratings Final Cut, The <SPAN style="COLOR: #777">1983</SPAN> 

OuchOuchOuchOuch - 4 ouches!

 

Although some disagree (why I cannot ever know) - As a huge Pink Floyd fan I am ambarrassed to have this in my collection - Its awful from start to finish and no redeeming features whatsoever.

 

And of course we must include in our hate list:

 


<TABLE>
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<TD width=150>Metallica - St. Anger CD (album) cover </TD>
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<H1 style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1em">ST. ANGER</H1>
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline">[COLOR=#810081 size=5">Metallica[/COLOR"></H2> 
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #777">Prog Related</H2></TD></TR></T></TABLE>

 

Dang this is bad - unbelievable for Metallica who are capable of brilliance. - Heck! Even 'Load' is better than this!

OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch - 5 ouches

 

 

and then there is:


<TABLE>
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<TD width=150>Mike Oldfield - The Millenium Bell CD (album) cover </TD>
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<H1>[COLOR=#810081">THE MILLENIUM BELL [/COLOR"></H1>
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline">Mike Oldfield</H2>
<H2 style="MARGIN-TOP: 1px; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #777">Crossover </H2></TD></TR></T></TABLE>

 

Whatever Oldfield was attempting here it fails on almost every level. A disappointing effort and one to avoid unless you are a completist.

 

OuchOuchOuch OuchOuch - 5 ouches

 

and - da daaah!

 

<SPAN title="1.98 out of 5 PA Average Rating Value" style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: #c75d4f">1.98</SPAN> | 106 ratings Love Beach

OuchOuchOuchOuch - 4 ouches!

 

Yes! There it is -  the smiling Hawaii Five O lookalikes who assassinated great prog music single handedly on a sell out that infuriated fans and alienated everyone else.

 

 

OK flaming over for now.... Add to the list

 

 

Of course its subjective so be clear on why you include the albums - htey have to be almost universally hated. And if you are trying to be funny and include masterpieces, we will have to ignore that I suppose, because its bound to happen.

 

 

Create your list NOW! Stay away from these 5 prog albums!

 

 Give it an ouch rating if you want to -  (only 3 to choose to make it easy)

 

OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch - 5 ouches - absolutely the pits (not one great song) so avoid this album!


OuchOuchOuchOuch - 4 ouches - some value (1 great song only) but overall a waste of time even listening to this!


OuchOuchOuch - 3 ouches - some redeeming value (2 great songs perhaps) but otherwise the rest is a mess.


 


 


 


Oh my God! I like this person. I must have laughed for an hour after reading this. How true it is
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Points: 146 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2009 at 02:32
I refuse to make negative lists.
But I will say i like "The final cut" and I love "Love beach" (the most underrated prog album ever).
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Hey DRACCA
 
Thanks for the compliment
 
I began this thread simply to get some info on what to avoid and in so doing I stirred up a hornets nest
 
LOL
 
 
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"Not Now John" and "Some Kind of Monster" are both pretty good songs.
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:09
Originally posted by The Switch Blade The Switch Blade wrote:

"Not Now John" and "Some Kind of Monster" are both pretty good songs.

My taste must be completely different, when I ripped The Final Cut I purposely excluded "Not Now John", the only PF song I actively avoid.
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I like the Final Cut somewhat. The first poster said it's redeemed by nothing at all. Apparently he didn't listen at all to the lyrics, Roger's best. Speaking of Roger...

 
Roger Waters- The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking
 
Takes the sonic background of...well, basically nothing and has Roger narrate the stupidest story you ever heard backed by his worst use of  sounds effects ever. Only redeeming factor is Eric Clapton solos pretty well over top of musical garbage.
 
4 ouches?
 
Behold the Arctopus- Nanonucleonis Cyborb Summoning.
 
This is what happens when a band focuses on technically dazzling chops over any sort of soul, melody, or basic regard for structure. I know, I know, a dozen fans will hate me saying I don't get that these guys are structuring their music like a gamelon or something like that, but I stand by this statement. The band seems to just aimlessly noodle in the most irritating way possible. I've heard John Cage noise experiments that were less irritating: at least there was some sort of conceptual purpose to his work. This just seems like jerking off.
 
Four and a half ouches?
 
Organization- Tone Float
 
This little known album is actually the first album that Ralf and Florian from Kraftwerk worked on. It's garbage. Taking the worst aspects of psychadelic music and magnifying them and holding them up to the to the light as if they were artful and creative. Half of the album features no instruments besides drums. It's a very strange and irritating album. Luckily, it's not available for purchase on CD.
 
Five Ouches
 
Pink Floyd- A Momentary Lapse of Reason
 
Really, isn't this one kind of obvious? At least The Final Cut is semi-respectable. This confused, irritating, and melodyless version of Pink Floyd shows that Dave really didn't know what to do with the band. It's more of a Dave Gilmour solo album, which is ironic, considering his solo albums are the most enjoyable thing to come out of a Pink Floyd member since the Wall, except for maybe Amused to Death.
 
Three and a half ouches
 
Gentle Giant- Interview
 
This will be (maybe) slightly controversial, but this album really showed that Gentle Giant were lost in their prog world with no escape. This convuluted, messy, poorly constructed album takes all of the potential downfalls of Gentle Giant's approach and, once again, holds them up to the light. Almost unlistenable.
 
Five Ouches
 
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 12:46
And we have yet ANOTHER negative nancy.
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And coming from the Pessimist that's saying something! Tongue
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
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I hate this thread.Disapprove
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I love your avatar.

Spread the love man, no need for hate on the Archives.
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Genesis-And Then there were Three [not really prog though]
King Crimson-Three of a Perfect Pair
 
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Originally posted by raindance raindance wrote:

Genesis-And Then there were Three [not really prog though]
King Crimson-Three of a Perfect Pair
 
  And Then There Were Three is not prog? What is it then? It certainly isn't pop, except for Follow You Follow Me (which is the best song anyways). The only real big difference between Wind and the Wuthering and this album is the lack of Steve Howe. Otherwise it's business as usual.
 
Three of A Perfect Pair is the second best 80's King Crimson album. Out of...three, I guess, but it's a strong album.
 
Ah agree to disagree I suppose eh?
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Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

Originally posted by raindance raindance wrote:

Genesis-And Then there were Three [not really prog though]
King Crimson-Three of a Perfect Pair
 
  And Then There Were Three is not prog? What is it then? It certainly isn't pop, except for Follow You Follow Me (which is the best song anyways). The only real big difference between Wind and the Wuthering and this album is the lack of Steve Howe. Otherwise it's business as usual.
 
Three of A Perfect Pair is the second best 80's King Crimson album. Out of...three, I guess, but it's a strong album.
 
Ah agree to disagree I suppose eh?
Actually, I'm pretty certain that Steve Howe was lacking on Wind & Wuthering as well.  Wink
 
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Actually, I'm pretty certain that Steve Howe was lacking on Wind & Wuthering as well.  Wink
 


Must have had a brain fart. LOL
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How true. Except for a few shining moments, Steve isn't really there for that album. Blood on The Rooftops is his song, and that's one of the best songs there. Otherwise it's Tony Banks and Michael Rutherford all the way, baby! Which doesn't bother me, per se. I think they're both excellent songwriters and musicians. And normally, the patented (in style by Tony in name by George Starostin) Banksynth style doesn't usually bother me. However there's just something about his tone on this album that gets to me. I think it's just such a keyboard dominated album that my mind spins. I normally think quite highly of Tony (including his early organ, piano and mellotron use) and his synth playing later is pretty creative (half of the atmosphere on the Lamb is lost without Tony) and though I know this will irritate a lot of hard line fans, his synthesizer work on Duke, Abacab, Genesis, and even parts of Invisible Touch are quite creative and groundbreaking. However, his work on Wind and parts of And Then There Were Three just really grate on my nerves. Oh well. His solo album wasn't too bad. Which one? I'm not telling! Ouch



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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Actually, I'm pretty certain that Steve Howe was lacking on Wind & Wuthering as well.  Wink
 


Must have had a brain fart. LOL


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