Punkers Hate Us More...Look

Man Overboard wrote: There's more than meets the eye.  I took at look at their forum, there are positive threads about Hammill, VdGG, and other prog staples. What I REALLY find interesting is how people try to suck bands they like into their genre to feel validated.  I saw a post trying to explain why DSoTM was pop, not prog, therefore under the umbrella of acceptable music.

listen to on the run and tell me thats pop...and thats my point, to these guys its not acceptable if its not pop, thats why the only prog bands they like are ones with elements of pop music...such as hawkwind.

Man Overboard wrote: It's not just that site that does it, bro.  I've seen it on every music forum I've ever posted at, for every genre.

well, there its the common misconception that all songs should be 2 minute pop songs...and i post on a lot of music forums, and they are not clueless like these guys are.

Man Overboard wrote: I'm talking about people sucking music they like into their genre to try to make it 'acceptable'.

i am so guilty of that if I like I always try to make it seem like prog.  CSNY, still cant find ways to make that prog though.

Man Overboard wrote: I'm talking about people sucking music they like into their genre to try to make it 'acceptable'.

haha...i know that feeling, i once got in a big arguement with ivan melgar morey on digitaldreamdoor.com after trying to suggest that bjork could be prog...we tore each other apart, ah...good times, good times...where is ivan by the way?, i miss the guy.

Hi, you prog fans, and thank you to give me the possibility to discover music... So to honor you, I send you a message I wrote to nice punks out there... Enjoy!

Slim City wrote: Blinkered horses,great name for a prog band. Heard Greg Lake(of ELP infamy)on the wireless a  few weeks ago.Nearly fell asleep listening to him mummbling on inanely about his glittering career, kind of says it all, pompous twat.They regularly sold out big venues...yawn, well so did Hitler and he didn't have a top forty hit either,did he ..?  :x  'Get off yer branch and drink yer milk..' as JohnWayne said.  'Death To Prog Rock' as we said in Manchester. :wink:

Hi, all of you!  Well, I just read a lot of texts here, and I'm laughing a lot...  You know, I'm only 17 years old, and I began to listen music by the good way.  There was two possibilities: punk or rap.  I prefered punk, so I began to listen at gay commercial punk like Blink and Good Charlotte..  After checking a little, I discovered better punks: Rancid, Nofx and Big Wig...  That was tru punk, people said to me.  So I checked what was true punk, and it saved me...  Sex Pistols, Ramones and The Clash...  I won't mention Exploited or Casualties, cuz those sh*ti wannabies aren't even call musiciens:)  So by looking at those old founders of punk, I discoverd Led Zep and Deep Purple...  It was similar, but really better in compostion, not only powerchords and lyrics about freedom and government that doesn't make its job...  Then, I saw Pink Floyd, who was between rock and prog rock, and discovered all of your favourite bands, Genesis, Yes, ELP, etc...  I thank God for opening my eyes and my ears to realize how low was punk in music...  And all of punks too:)  « Hey, what's the problem to do 15 minutes songs that make us fall asleep? »  2 weeks ago, I relistened to my old punk cds and laugh so much...  2 minutes songs with a chorus that comes 5 times...  What a composition, yes!  But I don't laugh at people who listen at punk, they have the right to do it, so...  What's funny, too, is to see a page like that about punks who don't like a style of music... way better than punk, by the way...  Well I like to see you yelling Dead to prog rock!!  Give me a reason why it should die?  Because all of you can't even understand what is music?  Because Roger Waters' bass is too beautiful compared to Syd Vicious'?  Hello, there...  We don't tell you that you listen to powerchorders that don't know what's music, so why should you?  Because you're all very intelligent, of course, juste enough to know what music is:)  To conclude, my dear friends, I'd like to tell you that you're right to protest when people say that punk is dead...  You know what?  It's never born...

Thank you, all of you folks, and I'm excited so read your replies...

                                          Harold Dupont (nice name, hé?)

AtomHeartMother wrote: so Harold Dupont are u happy that the progs said punk was gay on thier own web site, or are u mad at the progs for goin to thier web site and saying their music sucks? i cant tell.

i dont go there to say punk sucks, i was just questioning their love for punk and hate for everything else...especialy prog...so far people keep dodging my questions.

Hemispheres wrote: i dont think prog n punk are opposittes in fact i would consider the prog musicians sort of like punks at the time except they new there instruments better alot better does anybody share this opinion or am i just crazy

I disagree, I think they are diametically opposed.

Prog tries to elevate Rock Music to an artform, through the use of jazz, classical, folk, and literary/mythological influences, coupled with innovative composition (extended beyond the simple pop-song structure) and technical proficiency.

Punk is about a look.  It's about hating everything in sight and screaming about it in monotonous verse-chorus-verse songs over the course of 2:30 minutes.
^I know, I really don't sound any better than punks bashing prog, but compared with Classical, Prog, and Jazz I really have no patience for punk.

Hemispheres wrote: i dont think prog n punk are opposittes in fact i would consider the prog musicians sort of like punks at the time except they new there instruments better alot better does anybody share this opinion or am i just crazy

not at all...heres the similaritys.

anti conventional music that dosent follow the rules.

both died out as soon as they started.

similar politcal views about society, war and freedom.

horrible taste in fassion. =)

both are still active today but are now underground.

both are influencial and important to the history of music.

boo boo wrote: kingofbizzare wrote: I thought this was pretty funny: "Granted, some stuff is worth a listen ( Yes's tales of topographic oceans is a reasonable example) but the crux of the matter is Prog rock was so pretentious, boring, and created by breadheads with too much time on their hands and too many hallucenogenics in their heads." I think someone should post a link to this forum on their forum. It'll let them see how tolerant some of us are and maybe some of them will find some prog and enjoy it. and let them invade our forum?...hmm, im not sure about that, but whatever, i just dont want anything on this forum to get ugly.

indeed.  when I posted this thread I never meant for a whole bunch of us to go over there and mess with them, there is no changing their minds so whats the point.

i especially would not want them here.