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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 00:04
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Listen to Roxy Music's debut and  'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 !  Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 ! 

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Seconded. "Do The Strand" is another classic example. "The Thrill of It All" also kind of follows suit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 06:54
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Listen to Roxy Music's debut and  'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 !  Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 ! 

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Seconded. "Do The Strand" is another classic example. "The Thrill of It All" also kind of follows suit.


Thirded (if this word exists...). It's hard to find another band which managed to balance sound sophistication and dynamic/agressive rocking tunes.
VdGG lacked this "Rock'n'Roll" edge that Roxy Music could bring at the party.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2013 at 12:45

Either The Residents were the first Prog Punk Band with the Album Fingerprince or Univers Zero with 1313 or maybe even Throbbing Gristle.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2013 at 15:29
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Either The Residents were the first Prog Punk Band with the Album Fingerprince or Univers Zero with 1313 or maybe even Throbbing Gristle.



Mmmm... Univers Zéro has strong roots in jazz and classical music (and they were purely instrumental and not politised).
Throbbing Gristle were so strictly contemporary of the Punk scene that they were considered as fully part of this said scene.
So, I don't think that the last two bands really qualify.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2013 at 01:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:33
The Who IMHO were neither Prog nor Punk. They put out ONE Proto-Prog Album called "A Quick One" and were a Proto-Punk Band but they weren't Prog Punk.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:35
I'd probably say Faust - IV. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2013 at 23:46
The Beatles...rotten punks.

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Almost forgot the Subhumans...


"Worlds Apart" is my favorite. I'll have to listen to "From the Cradle to the Grave".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 05:39
I would say Penetration, they formed in 1976, were part of the punk scene. Their album "Moving Targets" which came out in 1978 has lots of progressive elements, some of the songs are basically metal too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdBB2pKgEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5_ScLoI2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvRewk7kGQ
also the song "Reunion", not on youtube but whole album is like this



Chron Gen's "Nowhere to Run" EP is also very proggy, I have a hard time considering it punk, but they were very much a part of the punk scene. Maybe a bit AOR sounding at times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWozk_XieJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmFbRvF2eE



Also, Youth Brigade (the California band) has some progressive elements, listen to the guitar work. Great vocals and intelligent lyrics too. They were way ahead of their time with a hip hop song on their album in the early 1980s. Maybe more punky than prog, but great band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb9VSGTjShI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BuoXNGbMg






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 06:01
I've been thinking about ELP's Benny the Bouncer as somewhat a prog-punk song and other of their works like A Time and A Place(could ELP be considered a Prog-Punk band?) but hell I could be wrong 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 06:32
Punk was progressive from day one. Progressive Rock stayed fairly stagnant for a decade which is why it fizzled out.

Whereas Punk has continued to evolve from it's simplistic beginnings in the Sex Pistols, Ramones etc. into Hardcore in the 80s and dozens of Hardcore influenced genres from Grindcore to Thrash metal to Mathcore, Metalcore, Screamo, skapunk, Post-Hardcore. Dozens of progressive bands and movements that can be traced back to the original punk movement.

Punk is the real prog when you think about it...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 09:30
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Punk was progressive from day one. Progressive Rock stayed fairly stagnant for a decade which is why it fizzled out.

Whereas Punk has continued to evolve from it's simplistic beginnings in the Sex Pistols, Ramones etc. into Hardcore in the 80s and dozens of Hardcore influenced genres from Grindcore to Thrash metal to Mathcore, Metalcore, Screamo, skapunk, Post-Hardcore. Dozens of progressive bands and movements that can be traced back to the original punk movement.

Punk is the real prog when you think about it...
And The Stooges are the original Prog Punk band.  "We Will Fall"  from their 1969 debut album is over ten minutes long, and "LA Blues"  from their 2nd album is edited from a 17-minute piece.
Just kidding! LOL
The original Prog Punk band is obviously Public Image Limited.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 09:47
I guess there's a lot of similarities with punk and Krautrock - even in the early days, but the artist I personally think was the first to sound like a proper punk band doing prog, was Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy. Here & Now, who was his band for that gig then made their debut afterwards, which I feel is the best example of the two genres meshing together:
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 11:04
Most punk was NOT progressive.  It was a change from the established commercial forms of rock, for sure.  But progressive it was not. 
 
Punk was meant to strip away all of the so-called pretensions of rock and pop, and create a form that would allow anyone to pick up an instrument and form a band.  Agression was important.  Ability was not.  The entire basis of the genre was anti-prog.
 
Malcolm McLaren even dubbed fis creation, The Sex Pistols, as "The great rock & Roll swindle".  In effect he was saying that he could bring together the most untalented individuals he could find, and successfully sell it to the recording industry and the general public, and make a fortune from them.  Surprisingly, Johnny (Rotten) Lydon actually managed to develop some artistry in his music not very long after.
 
And like any music style, a few artists managed to raise the genre above it's basic roots, and insert some true creativity.  Although a few of these artists added some progressive elements to some of their songs, that would not serve to categorize the genre as progressive.
 
Progressive-regressive?  Maybe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 13:55
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I guess there's a lot of similarities with punk and Krautrock - even in the early days, but the artist I personally think was the first to sound like a proper punk band doing prog, was Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy. Here & Now, who was his band for that gig then made their debut afterwards, which I feel is the best example of the two genres meshing together:
 


I also suggested them. Their post debut album EPs and the concert It's All Over The Show  is even a better example of their punkish direction. Are you familiar with it David??





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 14:43
Hadn't heard Little Things no, but I'm glad I just did though. Yummy.
I have also heard their second album Fantasy Shift, albeit on YouTube. That one sounds like a Canterbury version of The Police.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:05
LOL Exactly! I like it though. One thing I always loved about them is the fact that no matter which direction the band went, the musicians still maintained their spacey/punkish elements.

About that concert video, it's the only video I could find in utube so I posted it. There are far more engaging tracks in that raw live show.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:20
Definitely agree about the psych punk core of the band. On Fantasy Shift there's even some ska in there.
I need to get my hands on those eps though. Thanks for the rec Sagi!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:21
Maybe its The Fall as Mark is a big Can Fan
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:26
Oh thanks Sag Clap I had completly forgotten "Little things". Strangely, I've always associated it to the Biology 2 song of the Sparks.
 
 
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