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SonicDeath10 
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 Posted: August 29 2009 at 16:15 |
Oh wow, I fourth that statement. In fact, I think I had a series of brain farts that clouded the fact that I just didn't notice...
We all know that Genesis's guitarist was Steve Hillage. My bad!
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Dean
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 18:20 |
^ I'm beginning to like him 
...and It wasn't Steve Hillage it was Steve Hogarth, and he wasn't the guitarist, he was the singer who replaced Peter Gabriel.  |
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 19:09 |
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I thought Peter Cetera was the singer of Genesis who quit to join Ilinois speed metal group Peoria?
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 19:31 |
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Final Cut is sublime. Makes most modern day prog decidedley ' Plonkish"
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 00:27 |
 Chris S wrote:
Final Cut is sublime. Makes most modern day prog decidedley ' Plonkish" |
plonkish?
plonk 1
Verb
to put down heavily and carelessly: he plonked himself down on the sofa
Noun
the act or sound of plonking [variant of plunk]
plonk 2
Noun
Informal cheap inferior wine [origin unknown]
Oh I see.... 
It was innovative at that. But not up to PF usual briliance - just disappointing overall.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 01:38 |
SonicDeath10 wrote:
Gentle Giant- Interview
This will be (maybe) slightly controversial, but this album really showed that Gentle Giant were lost in their prog world with no escape. This convuluted, messy, poorly constructed album takes all of the potential downfalls of Gentle Giant's approach and, once again, holds them up to the light. Almost unlistenable.
Five Ouches
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Ah man, I like that album. Empty City, Give it Back (weird for GG but I still like it), and I Lost My Head are all classic GG. That said it's the worst of their first classic 8 albums. Weird how people can view things so differently though.
Chris S wrote:
Final Cut is sublime. Makes most modern day prog decidedley ' Plonkish" |
The Final Cut is the two buck chuck of Pink Floyd. :P I will say I like Amused to Death a hell of a lot more. It has actual music going on.
Anyway, as for my list of sh*tty prog albums:
The Final Cut - Pink Floyd: Unmusical garbage, the lyrics aren't inspired, just overly personal to Waters. No one should care about this album but some force themselves to. Waters gets so caught up in his personal crap that he neglects to make any sort of attempt to give back to the audience with a relatable message. Oh, and actual music.
Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta: The most pointless, aimless group of songs/noise recordings with pseudo meanings I've ever heard. I thought I had heard some godawful nonsense when I heard De-Loused but then I attempted to sit through Cygnus... Vismund Cygnus and Cassandra Gemini. It's way worse than just tuneless noise, it's tuneless noise with pretensions of being music.
Union - Yes: I love Yes in their heyday, but they must have just forgotten how to make music with this one. Most of the songs are just stupid New Age meets hair metal bullsh*t with Jon Anderson shrieking meaningless platitudes over the top, the best of these being "Shock to the System" because it has one supremely butt rocking riff that is catchy if you forget for a moment that you're listening to Yes. I had to listen to this album in small bursts because they so thoroughly bludgeoned my senses into nothingness with even a two song attempt. Worse than "Calling All Stations" by Genesis, "I Would Have Waited Forever" quite happily having never heard this.
Woo, I feel a little bit of the black negativity has seeped out of me from that. I might come back to unload some more later. :P
Edited by King Crimson776 - August 31 2009 at 02:11
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King Crimson776
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 02:15 |
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Whoa, I just have to say, everyone, look at my profile and click "reviews list". My sig that you see under my posts, for me at least, is f**king HUGE! It goes past where the screen should normally go. :P Is it like that for you guys too? It's kinda awesome. :P
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 08:43 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
The Final Cut - Pink Floyd: Unmusical garbage, the lyrics aren't inspired, just overly personal to Waters. No one should care about this album but some force themselves to. Waters gets so caught up in his personal crap that he neglects to make any sort of attempt to give back to the audience with a relatable message. Oh, and actual music.
Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta: The most pointless, aimless group of songs/noise recordings with pseudo meanings I've ever heard. I thought I had heard some godawful nonsense when I heard De-Loused but then I attempted to sit through Cygnus... Vismund Cygnus and Cassandra Gemini. It's way worse than just tuneless noise, it's tuneless noise with pretensions of being music.
Union - Yes: I love Yes in their heyday, but they must have just forgotten how to make music with this one. |
While I agree the music on Final Cut is mostly null it's at least pleasant and not dissonant like some bad prog I've heard. And the lyrics are inspired: in fact, I consider them Roger's best lyrics...except for maybe, natch, Amused to Death. That said, Roger had clearly given up on writing rock music at this point.
My friend Adam described Frances the Mute like this "On their first album they were on drugs and made great music...they quit drugs after that album, but tried to make Frances the Mute as if they were on drugs." Couldn't agree more.
I'll defend Yes the tiniest little bit on Onion and say that it's well documented that the producer of that album truly mangled the hell out of it. He brought in a lot of session musicians, rewrote huge sections, erased parts and vocals, and did whatever he wanted. Rick says he doesn't hear any of his keyboards on the album at all and I can definitely understand that. The producer brought in like six keyboardists or somethign to replace Rick, three or four drummers for Bill Bruford (insane) and a couple of guitarists for Steve Howe. John McFerrin famously said "If Steve Howe wrote or played the riffs to Dangerous of Shock to the System, I'll eat my hat." That's a bit of a paraphrase, and I may be off with the quote, but I agree. That said, the songs themselves are still weak...
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:27 |
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Everyone is bagging out Frances the Mute by Mars Volta - I liked that one tremendously.
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:34 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Everyone is bagging out Frances the Mute by Mars Volta - I liked that one tremendously. |
Great album  ! I was listening to it a couple of days ago, and marveled at how genuinely progressive it sounds. It was my introduction to the band - love at first hearing. I have to wonder at how useful or productive these threads are, but they seem to be all the rage... They make it seem as if the main use of a prog forum was not promoting the music, but bashing as much stuff as we can .
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:38 |
Raff wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Everyone is bagging out Frances the Mute by Mars Volta - I liked that one tremendously. |
Great album! I was listening to it a couple of days ago, and marveled at how genuinely progressive it sounds. It was my introduction to the band - love at first hearing.
I have to wonder at how useful or productive these threads are, but they seem to be all the rage... They make it seem as if the main use of a prog forum was not promoting the music, but bashing as much stuff as we can.
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I don't have a favorite album from The Mars Volta. "Tetragrammaton" is my favorite song, but if I were forced to choose a favorite from them at gunpoint. Frances the Mute would be it.
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 19:46 |
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meh... I don't even care much for the group.. or their albums.. but still would list them as an essential prog group. They pretty much define modern prog (as in the old meaning.. Progressive rock music).
there is no retro prog there.. not even a sniff of it... that makes them essential when looking at prog.
Edited by micky - August 31 2009 at 19:48
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 03:09 |
I don't really agree with the premise of this thread. I think that every album can find someone to appreciate it. Nevertheless, I strongly recommend that you don't buy the following albums without hearing some samples first.
Tony Banks -- The Fugitive
Electric Light Orchestra -- No Answer
Rick Wakeman -- Rock 'n Roll Prophet
Yes -- Open Your Eyes
Utopia -- Trivia
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 07:41 |
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I LOVE ELOY:D SO MUCH
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slow motion...
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 16:34 |
I agree. Space Shanty does not move me one bit and neither does the Final Cut - which is why both of those discs were sold years ago out of my collection.
Why keep stuff that you don't enjoy?
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 16:48 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
I don't really agree with the premise of this thread. I think that every album can find someone to appreciate it. Nevertheless, I strongly recommend that you don't buy the following albums without hearing some samples first.
Tony Banks -- The Fugitive
Electric Light Orchestra -- No Answer
Rick Wakeman -- Rock 'n Roll Prophet
Yes -- Open Your Eyes
Utopia -- Trivia |
I'd agree. I think you have a good point about all of these albums. I quite like The Fugitive (the weird, dry sound of this album was something quite different from Tony and his voice...he compared it to the Pet Shop Boys guy and he was right). No Answer is pretty weird if you're expecting anything like what ELO did earlier, but it has it's moments. Don't like Rock n Roll Prophet. Open Your Eyes is fun to me, but I know why people don't like it. Trivia is the beginning of the end for Todd. I think what you did here is actually better than "stay away from these albums" because you say "it would be a good idea to sample these first" is a much better and more effective critique.
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 18:40 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
I don't really agree with the premise of this thread. I think that every album can find someone to appreciate it. Nevertheless, I strongly recommend that you don't buy the following albums without hearing some samples first.
Tony Banks -- The Fugitive
Electric Light Orchestra -- No Answer
Rick Wakeman -- Rock 'n Roll Prophet
Yes -- Open Your Eyes
Utopia -- Trivia |
OK, when I began this thread my main intention was indeed a selfish one, in other words I did not want to waste any more money buying rubbish that passes itself off as prog. The sad thing is that there are reviews that hail albums as masterpieces and I have a real problem with that because not everything that you like is a masterpiece, a 4 star rating should be sufficient but the 5 star rating is being thrown around like candy in these archives.
I believe every album has something to appreciate for sure. for instance:
Godley and Creme have an appalling album called "Freeze Frame" and yet the brilliant "Englishman in new York" is on it - a one track one hit wonder bar none!
I love Yes and Rick Wakeman is a genius but I bought his "Frost In Space" and I have listened to that a grand total of one and a half times! Elevator Music is better!
I read rave reviews in 'Classic Rock Presents Prog issue 1' of And you shall know them by the trail of the dead's new album - have no idea what its called now. It was so bad I was almost in tears when I heard it. I took it back to the shop and pleaded for them to let me swap it. The shopowner of this CD super store looked at me and said 'what would you swap it for?' I pulled out of the air a band I love, Ayreon, who I can trust, and he said, 'OK go get it'. I grabbed "The Universal Migrator 1 and 2" - more money but better quality. He said 'OK give me the difference in cash and its yours'. I can't tell you how delighted I was about this. The Ayreon Cd was excellent! I spent over $300 on CDs in that store.
So the mag 'Classic Rock Presents Prog issue 1' needs to reassess what they are saying I believe. So I started this thread after that to find out who else to avoid like the plague and its been successful - I have quite a list now thanks to all the replys. i have many threads on this archive but none have had such a reaction as this one, so whos complaining?
I love prog and would never want to dish out negativity on such an incredible genre of music. However, there are still some bad eggs among the nest and we should not hide the fact!
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 18:49 |
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Freeze Frame is great! The title track is great and nightmarish, Random Brainwaves sounds uncannily like that, to good effect, and I Pity Inanimate Objects is a lot of fun. The NEXT album isn't very good though, unfortunately...
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King Crimson776
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 21:29 |
micky wrote:
there is no retro prog there.. not even a sniff of it... that makes them essential when looking at prog.
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Oh boy, homogenized Rush and Santana (instead of taboo Yes and/or Genesis influence) with shrieky vocals spouting nonsense! Let's not forget pointless, contextless noise! WOO! Now that's progressive, maaaan. Also let me stress again; no Yes or Genesis influence at all. Therefore they are progressive.
I'm tired of this sh*t.
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Posted: September 01 2009 at 22:55 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
micky wrote:
there is no retro prog there.. not even a sniff of it... that makes them essential when looking at prog.
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Oh boy, homogenized Rush and Santana (instead of taboo Yes and/or Genesis influence) with shrieky vocals spouting nonsense! Let's not forget pointless, contextless noise! |
I'm tired of this sh*t.
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