Introducing: Blind Guardian!

MajesterX wrote: 1800iareyay wrote: If music "sounds" classical, doesn't that mean it has ties? After all, music is taken in primarily through the ears, maybe even entirely. I know that just because it sounds baroque doesn't mean it would fit in with true baroque music, but it does have connections.  BG's next album shuld settle the dispute over their inclusion. Reportedly it will be a concept album for Lord of the Rings using entirely classical instruments. I meant "sounds" as in "seems". What bands like symphony X and BG do is they take things that seem like they could be out of a bach piece and they twist them and put them into a different context. It's like the 1812 theme in rush's 2112, yet Tchaikovsky had none, as far as I know, influence on Rush.

I know what you meant, I was just born a smart ass. Many of these bands DO quote Bach, Mozart, or Wagner and claim them as influences. Yngwie Malmsteen, the progenitor of cheese, always offers them up as influences

Edited by 1800iareyay - July 11 2007 at 20:19

They're not progressive and they stink. That's my 0,02$

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I think using the word cheesy is just an excuse to not enjoy things that society sees as extremely dated. I love power prog metal like rhapsody and bg, and to me i just see the stuff as epic. IMO BG has never been the cheesy band in the genre though. They seem like the most honest about what they are doing, but musically Rhapsody is great too. I think it is more the power metal image than the music that makes people say they are "cheesy" whatever that is supposed to mean.

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R o V e R wrote: For the Love of "Blind Guardian"   (Album Art)

Cheesefest if you ask me.

I can't understand how people can take bands like BG and Rhapsody seriously.

You have a fake orchestra via keyboards and guys singing about the most ridiculous things like dwarves and wizards. It's just so cheesy! [/QUOTE]

Ok children.

Classical music has two main tenets:

1. It is music from the classical period  (or Neo classical in the modern period) and follows classical music traditions. It is also a broad term to describe "high culture" and formal music from 1000 CE. to the present day.

2 It is erudite music (Primarily written music in a proper form). It usually consists of advanced technical construction and deconstruction of notation theory that are displayed in formal forms. It is the language of notation that drives Classical music, not the actual sounds that come from performance. It lives in this linguistic form regardless of performance or recording,  and can be read as much as heard. 

    As such, Prog does not match the intellectual discipline that Classical music demands, for this reason "Prog" is sometimes referred to as "Philistine Music" for its attempt to "borrow what it does not understand". I think this is overly harsh (well ELP is borderline) but there is an argument. Bands that realize their rock roots are not included.

Bottom line though:

    Prog is "popular music" and seeks to mask but not strive to the advanced technical underpinnings of Classical music. Its relation to Classical music is superficial at best and is quite the opposite in its creation and approach to music. To say that a "Prog" band is 40% Classical (or whatever) shows the lack of knowledge of what Classical music really is.


Edited by reality - July 19 2007 at 15:28

reality wrote: Ok children. ... To say that a "Prog" band is 40% Classical (or whatever) shows the lack of knowledge of what Classical music really is.

For the record here's what I said earlier:

"If a Mozart symphony is 100% classical and an arbitrary AC/DC album is 0.000001% classical, there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge grey area in between ... all I'm saying is that an album like Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle-Earth is possibly at 20%, while Nightwish in their best moments achieve something around 10%. Epica get pretty high with The Score - about 40% I'd say. The point is: For people who like both classical music and rock/metal, there are some pretty nice albums which mix both worlds, creating works which are neither classical nor plain rock/metal."

My guess is that you simply don't *want* to understand me.


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - July 20 2007 at 05:02

I didn't mean to "measure classicalness" ... I merely said that some rock/metal bands use more classical elements than others, or they use them more "seriously" than others.

^ Funny stuff, but I don't see any connection to Blind Guardian other than Tolkien.