Jethro Tull vs. King Crimson |
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geekfreak
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Posted: April 14 2020 at 08:18 |
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Mortte
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^I agree. Even Metallica´s Kirk Hammet was really excited about KC:s Thrak when it came.
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There is an important distinction between influential power and popularity/success that often gets lost over the internet simply because we love our faves
Influence is seeds that blossom whereas the latter has more to do with numbers. Look at it like this: One of the most influential bands I know of is The Velvet Underground. Compared to their peers they sold horribly and were no more than a historic footnote looking merely at the numbers. But without them we wouldn’t have Ziggy Stardust or the Bowie that followed. The whole new wave scene blossoming up through various cracks in the 80s would also be without it’s guru. Or to bring it home to a progger: take the Floyd. Dark Side Of The Moon is perhaps one of the most iconic albums in all of rock..not just in prog, but I’d wager that the early albums from Piper to Ummagumma were and are far more influential in terms of what they spawned of new musical avenues. Dark Side was vastly influential on the productional side of things and basically taught bands how to use the studio as an extra member of the band...but Piper through Ummagumma gave us a plethora of scenes and styles that evolved from the innovative psychedelics of the Floyd. King Crimson is like that. The bands that took their cue from them mostly ended up being innovators themselves and spurred on seeds of their own. The Mars Volta fx. How many bands have evolved from those guys? And that’s just one band. Most modern experimental riff based rock bands, whether prague or more metal based, can trace their lineage back to monsieur Fripp...whether they know it or not. Edited by Guldbamsen - January 18 2020 at 04:30 |
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rogerthat
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That you are clutching onto one coda that has a lot, lot less to do with grunge than a body of work that spanned three albums (LTIA/SABB/Red) itself shows the lengths to which you are prepared to go to hold onto your 'opinion'. If you have even heard anything at all off those three albums, you know they don't owe anything to Starship Trooper. Again, stop making up stuff just because you dislike a band. Disliking KC is your choice but you cannot bloody well deny their influence when legions of bands themselves cite said influence. Eh, it's your opinion, not a slice of pizza so liking or not liking it doesn't come into the picture. You just don't have any basis to make the claims that you have about KC's influence. I will go one step further and suggest you do this only because taking a contrarian view for the sake of it is appealing to you. |
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ProgMetaller2112
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Those bands were doing better albums than KC was in 1974 but that's just my opinion. Also, those bands have a rep and influence all there own (Who cares about the genres that were influenced though really?) Yes, influenced grunge with the Wurm from Starship Trooper(that came out a few years beford Wetton Era KC what about that? Should we make a big deal about it? Or a big deal about Rush influencing keyboard rock and emo? Lol) Also, I'm not just a symph prog fan I love all subgenres like eclectic and folk. Just my opinion man. Don't like it? Sorry man
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rogerthat
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Better is just your opinion and neither here nor there when we discuss influence. But as far as KC goes, their influence doesn't stop only with ITCOTCK. Do you have any idea how bands, including hardcore punk or grunge bands, have cited Wetton KC as an influence? Again, were any of GG, Genesis, JT, Yes or ELP doing anything remotely like Red album in 1974? The answer is no. Just because you may be a symph prog fan doesn't mean the world revolves around it. |
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ProgMetaller2112
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No bro, it's not revisionism. Those bands are better and have more influence than Crimson. Yes, Crimso is influential but those other bands took things further and did them better
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Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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dr prog
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Lizard is one of my faves but happy family and indoor games suck lol. Haskell sounds so much better in his solo album. 8/10 album though. Islands is ok. A bit of a snoozer though
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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The more I age, the more obvious King Crimson's dominance as a force reveals itself to me.
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Argo2112
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Actually close for me but I went with KC
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Lewian
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Nice find!
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rogerthat
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With all due respect, that's the ultimate in revisionism. Genesis leaned heavily on ITCOTCK to make Trespass and you're claiming KC is the least influential of the big prog rock bands?
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Jethro Tull.
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Would have been an album full of this, no doubt:
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Ruby900
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Crimson - really not a contest. Tull are ok, but Crimson.......
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scruffydragon
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Crimson. There is something special about a King Crimson record.
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Mortte
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Really love Jethro but it´s again KC.
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richardh
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I'm too lazy to cherry pick this and that. Everything Crimson has done is worth taking seriously and they didn't do a Christmas album although can you imagine what it would have been if they had. Just think of Fripp wearing a fluffy Santa hat... so him.
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dr prog
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I consider most 70s Tull prog based. They had some pop tunes in the mid 70s but 70-73 and 77-80 were mainly releases of prog based heavy folk rock. They would have released more prog in the mid 70s but went for a different approach with those albums. But there’s plenty of extra tracks from that mid 70s era that are prog based. We now have a great mix from the remixes. Basically 17 albums worth in the 70s. A dozen worth of prog based stuff, 3 worth of pop and 2 worth of sub par tracks |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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BarryGlibb
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Not really...PA is a Prog site. With KC, every album is prog; with Tull many albums are prog but many albums are not. So that is why KC poll more on this site; because they have been consistently prog from their inception.
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