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 Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:18 |
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no, he jumped off stage and punched one in the face. It's on video.  |
Was it Montreal or St Louis? Forget which, because both shows were ahem eventful.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:17 |
no, he jumped off stage and punched one in the face. It's on video.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:13 |
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Absolutely. Waters is one of the most unsavory characters in rock music and I've met quite a few of them. Their rock god status gives them a wide berth and that's always the problem. I'm not criticizing his political views, only his egotism.
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ha ha no. But at least Axl never spit on anyone.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:11 |
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Absolutely. Waters is one of the most unsavory characters in rock music and I've met quite a few of them. Their rock god status gives them a wide berth and that's always the problem. I'm not criticizing his political views, only his egotism. |
Ever met AXL?
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:05 |
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Well Roger left Pink Floyd, due to creative differences in 1985. Then the legal fight started which was really about money and Roger claiming Pink Floyd was broke and was creatively spent, so it needed to be broken up. After the settlement Pink Floyd continued and Roger went on his way......Roger has nothing to do with Pink Floyd after 1987, he retained rights to The Wall hence we will have Reissue Wall Tours till the end of time, he is not Pink Floyd so he has no right to be on the Pink Floyd website....He just thinks that David and Mason are fine with it now since it has been 33yrs.
His website should be called "Roger Waters-I'm The Wall" |
Amen, thank you. Waters really seems to think Gilmour and Wright ought to have forgotten Waters' own unseemly behaviour in the 80s. He sued them - unsuccessfully, thank God - to stop them from using the Pink Floyd, for crying out loud. And now he is upset they won't let him post his material on the Floyd website, but why should they?
Yes, it's true he said many, many years later that he was wrong to have sued them but that can hardly have made his company a bearable prospect again for Gilmour and Mason. I actually do think AMLOR and DB are weak albums but I do not blame Gilmour, Mason and the late Wright for not wishing to have anything to do with Waters again. He was asking for it. |
Absolutely. Waters is one of the most unsavory characters in rock music and I've met quite a few of them. Their rock god status gives them a wide berth and that's always the problem. I'm not criticizing his political views, only his egotism.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 10:01 |
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Well Roger left Pink Floyd, due to creative differences in 1985. Then the legal fight started which was really about money and Roger claiming Pink Floyd was broke and was creatively spent, so it needed to be broken up. After the settlement Pink Floyd continued and Roger went on his way......Roger has nothing to do with Pink Floyd after 1987, he retained rights to The Wall hence we will have Reissue Wall Tours till the end of time, he is not Pink Floyd so he has no right to be on the Pink Floyd website....He just thinks that David and Mason are fine with it now since it has been 33yrs.
His website should be called "Roger Waters-I'm The Wall" |
Amen, thank you. Waters really seems to think Gilmour and Wright ought to have forgotten Waters' own unseemly behaviour in the 80s. He sued them - unsuccessfully, thank God - to stop them from using the Pink Floyd, for crying out loud. And now he is upset they won't let him post his material on the Floyd website, but why should they?
Yes, it's true he said many, many years later that he was wrong to have sued them but that can hardly have made his company a bearable prospect again for Gilmour and Mason. I actually do think AMLOR and DB are weak albums but I do not blame Gilmour, Mason and the late Wright for not wishing to have anything to do with Waters again. He was asking for it.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 09:56 |
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I dont know much about Roger's internal squabbling with Pink Floyd but the dude routinley does and says things that are straight antisemitic. |
For the sake of civil discourse, I think Roger Waters a self pitying attention seeking hippy sh*t stirrer but that's really beside the point. Why is it that anyone who criticizes Israel's foreign policy is branded anti-semitic? This would be like blaming the Catholic Church for the atrocities perpetrated by the IRA. It's perfectly fine to take issue with a colonialist policy that has resulted in illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, blockade of the Gaza strip, failure to allow post-war Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and ineligibility of Palestinians in occupied territories to vote in Israeli elections. These views are not just held by a millionaire rock star but by the United Nations and mainstream European churches who also consider the annexation of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in 1980 by the Jerusalem Law and the Golan Heights Law as ultra vires and unrecognized as binding by any other nation. Fighting back when you're invaded by what happens to be another race doesn't make you a racist. Grow up.
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Rather than follow you into the black hole that it is a discussion about Arab aggression towards Jews exercising their right to self determination and settling in their historic homeland, I will simply point out that Roger Waters has been called out by reputable antisemitism watch dog organizations for using antisemitic imagery in his performances and espousing conspiritorial views in relation to Jewish influence in business in politics. Rather than clarify and apologize for these things, Waters doubles down.
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He has been ranked #4 in a top 10 of antisemitism, released by the Simon Wiesenthal Center some 6 or 7 years ago. But his alleged antisemitic imagery does not bug me too much - it just fits in the story. It's just the fact that the Protocols of the Sages of Zion still seem to resonate with some people and the whole BDS thing for which he pushed himself as the main spokesman that I find annoying. |
Is there no Ignore button to avoid this soulless (and historically ignorant) sh*t?
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 09:37 |
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Cristi wrote:
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[QUOTE=Cinema]For many many years Waters tried to destroy Pink Floyd through various legal actions and other means. If I were Gilmour, I'd tell him to pound salt too. Waters has more than earned it.[/QUOTE How can you say that? when the man is Pink Floyd even though legally he can't tour as pink Floyd without Mason as Gilmour can as he tours with Mason, but for God's sake that is mostly his music and lyrics. If He wants to destroy the band that he gave his soul and mind, then why he keeps visiting those songs he wrote during the Floyd' years? Because that's what the fans wants to hear? and where the money is? Well it is his music and words. He is entitled. I think Guilmour is been such an ass to Waters.  |
Waters turned from a driving force to dictator really quickly, marginalizing first Wright, and then the other two by the time The Final Cut came out. I have never understood how Wright did not have writing credits on WYWH (well except Shine On, what about the rest of the songs, plenty of keys, don't tell me Waters played those, I don't believe you) and Animals (on Dogs and Sheep, no Wright?).
Also if you listen to The Wall demos and what eneded up on the album, Waters was very lucky with Gilmour, Ezrin and Kamen arranging a lot of songs.
And if you look on his solo work, again, Waters had to surround himself with competent musicians, ffs he invited Clapton to play with him.
As much as I like Floyd and Waters' solo albums, he's often been a bit dooshy, sorry... |
Wright, by his own admission, fell into a creative lapse period in the time you are talking about. He didn’t blame it entirely on Waters. |
Yes, Rick said his was busy "flying without wings."
Or too busy with his sailboat. Take your pick.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 09:18 |
Cristi wrote:
DarksideofCollages wrote:
[QUOTE=Cinema]For many many years Waters tried to destroy Pink Floyd through various legal actions and other means. If I were Gilmour, I'd tell him to pound salt too. Waters has more than earned it.[/QUOTE How can you say that? when the man is Pink Floyd even though legally he can't tour as pink Floyd without Mason as Gilmour can as he tours with Mason, but for God's sake that is mostly his music and lyrics. If He wants to destroy the band that he gave his soul and mind, then why he keeps visiting those songs he wrote during the Floyd' years? Because that's what the fans wants to hear? and where the money is? Well it is his music and words. He is entitled. I think Guilmour is been such an ass to Waters. |
Waters turned from a driving force to dictator really quickly, marginalizing first Wright, and then the other two by the time The Final Cut came out. I have never understood how Wright did not have writing credits on WYWH (well except Shine On, what about the rest of the songs, plenty of keys, don't tell me Waters played those, I don't believe you) and Animals (on Dogs and Sheep, no Wright?).
Also if you listen to The Wall demos and what eneded up on the album, Waters was very lucky with Gilmour, Ezrin and Kamen arranging a lot of songs.
And if you look on his solo work, again, Waters had to surround himself with competent musicians, ffs he invited Clapton to play with him.
As much as I like Floyd and Waters' solo albums, he's often been a bit dooshy, sorry... |
Wright, by his own admission, fell into a creative lapse period in the time you are talking about. He didn’t blame it entirely on Waters.
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 09:00 |
DarksideofCollages wrote:
[QUOTE=Cinema]For many many years Waters tried to destroy Pink Floyd through various legal actions and other means. If I were Gilmour, I'd tell him to pound salt too. Waters has more than earned it.[/QUOTE How can you say that? when the man is Pink Floyd even though legally he can't tour as pink Floyd without Mason as Gilmour can as he tours with Mason, but for God's sake that is mostly his music and lyrics. If He wants to destroy the band that he gave his soul and mind, then why he keeps visiting those songs he wrote during the Floyd' years? Because that's what the fans wants to hear? and where the money is? Well it is his music and words. He is entitled. I think Guilmour is been such an ass to Waters. |
Waters turned from a driving force to dictator really quickly, marginalizing first Wright, and then the other two by the time The Final Cut came out. I have never understood how Wright did not have writing credits on WYWH (well except Shine On, what about the rest of the songs, plenty of keys, don't tell me Waters played those, I don't believe you) and Animals (on Dogs and Sheep, no Wright?).
Also if you listen to The Wall demos and what ended up on the album, Waters was very lucky with Gilmour, Ezrin and Kamen arranging a lot of songs.
And if you look on his solo work, again, Waters had to surround himself with competent musicians, ffs he invited Clapton to play with him.
As much as I like Floyd and Waters' solo albums, he's often been a bit dooshy, sorry...
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 08:37 |
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Anything Related to Floyd he is entitled to.
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[QUOTE=Cinema]For many many years Waters tried to destroy Pink Floyd through various legal actions and other means. If I were Gilmour, I'd tell him to pound salt too. Waters has more than earned it.[/QUOTE How can you say that? when the man is Pink Floyd even though legally he can't tour as pink Floyd without Mason as Gilmour can as he tours with Mason, but for God's sake that is mostly his music and lyrics. If He wants to destroy the band that he gave his soul and mind, then why he keeps visiting those songs he wrote during the Floyd' years? Because that's what the fans wants to hear? and where the money is? Well it is his music and words. He is entitled. I think Guilmour is been such an ass to Waters. |
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Posted: May 22 2020 at 08:24 |
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I dont know much about Roger's internal squabbling with Pink Floyd but the dude routinley does and says things that are straight antisemitic. |
For the sake of civil discourse, I think Roger Waters a self pitying attention seeking hippy sh*t stirrer but that's really beside the point. Why is it that anyone who criticizes Israel's foreign policy is branded anti-semitic? This would be like blaming the Catholic Church for the atrocities perpetrated by the IRA. It's perfectly fine to take issue with a colonialist policy that has resulted in illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, blockade of the Gaza strip, failure to allow post-war Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and ineligibility of Palestinians in occupied territories to vote in Israeli elections. These views are not just held by a millionaire rock star but by the United Nations and mainstream European churches who also consider the annexation of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in 1980 by the Jerusalem Law and the Golan Heights Law as ultra vires and unrecognized as binding by any other nation. Fighting back when you're invaded by what happens to be another race doesn't make you a racist. Grow up.
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Rather than follow you into the black hole that it is a discussion about Arab aggression towards Jews exercising their right to self determination and settling in their historic homeland, I will simply point out that Roger Waters has been called out by reputable antisemitism watch dog organizations for using antisemitic imagery in his performances and espousing conspiritorial views in relation to Jewish influence in business in politics. Rather than clarify and apologize for these things, Waters doubles down.
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He has been ranked #4 in a top 10 of antisemitism, released by the Simon Wiesenthal Center some 6 or 7 years ago. But his alleged antisemitic imagery does not bug me too much - it just fits in the story. It's just the fact that the Protocols of the Sages of Zion still seem to resonate with some people and the whole BDS thing for which he pushed himself as the main spokesman that I find annoying.
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For many many years Waters tried to destroy Pink Floyd through various legal actions and other means. If I were Gilmour, I'd tell him to pound salt too. Waters has more than earned it.
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Isn't the relationship betwixt Waters and Gilmour another example of the Dunning-Kruger effect? The two made some great music together in the 70's....their squabble is irrelevant to me...
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Posted: May 21 2020 at 21:18 |
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Roger Waters is a great man. And as for "Comfortably Numb", he's right.. It's on record. You can hear audio of David singing scat with the D-A part, and Roger filled it with lyrics, but also the music (Bm-A-G-F#-Em), melody and lyrics.
Roger is a humanitarian. I think so lowly of anyone who throws the "Why can't he just stick to..?" (Why can't you just stick it up your ass?)... Roger has ALWAYS been political (read the lyrics, again), and has always been anti-Establishment, outspoken, and a supporter of human rights, and not only when it was trendy. I think its because of the "trendy justice whoriors".. When it comes to Palestine, "both sides" are not equal - it's completely one-sided.... Everyone on Earth understands this, except my home country of the US, which I can't understand. There's the same bullsh*t media everywhere else, but people know its bullsh*t. I think its self-censorship more than anything - people are too chickensh*t to speak their mind like Roger, so maybe they're just jealous.
As for the latest sh*t, I do think its silly for the Pink Floyd website to advertise Polly Samson's sh*tty books which never got any attention until the PINK FLOYD influence. David wouldn't even put up a link of Roger's. Roger wrote most of the music, 99% of the lyrics, all the themes/concepts, which is probably another reason I not only admire him, but will defend him, and anyone else who gets shafted because of ignorance.
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Well Roger left Pink Floyd, due to creative differences in 1985. Then the legal fight started which was really about money and Roger claiming Pink Floyd was broke and was creatively spent, so it needed to be broken up. After the settlement Pink Floyd continued and Roger went on his way......Roger has nothing to do with Pink Floyd after 1987, he retained rights to The Wall hence we will have Reissue Wall Tours till the end of time, he is not Pink Floyd so he has no right to be on the Pink Floyd website....He just thinks that David and Mason are fine with it now since it has been 33yrs.
His website should be called "Roger Waters-I'm The Wall"
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Posted: May 21 2020 at 20:59 |
Sean Trane wrote:
ssmarcus wrote:
I dont know much about Roger's internal squabbling
with Pink Floyd but the dude routinley does and says things that are
straight antisemitic. |
Waters is anti-zionist, not anti-semituic.
But this nuance probably flies by your head withpout you even noticing it did.
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My biggest problem with Roger Waters is not about his political views, but that he divulges them constantly and still expects the fans to like his music and lyrics today, or agree with him. I could give a rats a$$ about his political beliefs, views or opinions.But when for example in his new Mother video he answers the line "Mother should I trust the government?" with his mouthing and facial expressions......Ask the question but then leave the answer/opinion up to the listener, that's more powerful than making a statement. |
Rewatch the video, reading his lips and you'll hear: "No f**king Way"   |
Yes I know....That's his opinion to not trust govt and we all know what he means.....That's my point, I don't care what his belief is. Leave the lyrical meaning up to the listener in the song for more impact, or he needs to change it from a question to a statement.
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Roger Waters is a great man. And as for "Comfortably Numb", he's right.. It's on record. You can hear audio of David singing scat with the D-A part, and Roger filled it with lyrics, but also the music (Bm-A-G-F#-Em), melody and lyrics.
Roger is a humanitarian. I think so lowly of anyone who throws the "Why can't he just stick to..?" (Why can't you just stick it up your ass?)... Roger has ALWAYS been political (read the lyrics, again), and has always been anti-Establishment, outspoken, and a supporter of human rights, and not only when it was trendy. I think its because of the "trendy justice whoriors".. When it comes to Palestine, "both sides" are not equal - it's completely one-sided.... Everyone on Earth understands this, except my home country of the US, which I can't understand. There's the same bullsh*t media everywhere else, but people know its bullsh*t. I think its self-censorship more than anything - people are too chickensh*t to speak their mind like Roger, so maybe they're just jealous.
As for the latest sh*t, I do think its silly for the Pink Floyd website to advertise Polly Samson's sh*tty books which never got any attention until the PINK FLOYD influence. David wouldn't even put up a link of Roger's. Roger wrote most of the music, 99% of the lyrics, all the themes/concepts, which is probably another reason I not only admire him, but will defend him, and anyone else who gets shafted because of ignorance.
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Posted: May 21 2020 at 13:47 |
ssmarcus wrote:
I dont know much about Roger's internal squabbling
with Pink Floyd but the dude routinley does and says things that are
straight antisemitic. |
Waters is anti-zionist, not anti-semituic.
But this nuance probably flies by your head withpout you even noticing it did.
Catcher10 wrote:
My biggest problem with Roger Waters is not about his political views, but that he divulges them constantly and still expects the fans to like his music and lyrics today, or agree with him. I could give a rats a$$ about his political beliefs, views or opinions.But when for example in his new Mother video he answers the line "Mother should I trust the government?" with his mouthing and facial expressions......Ask the question but then leave the answer/opinion up to the listener, that's more powerful than making a statement. |
Rewatch the video, reading his lips and you'll hear: "No f**king Way"
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The politics of the middle east is complex. The petty politics of the three monotheistic religions which are all based on vacuous myths is to blame...Roger Waters is guilty of attacking the validity of the claims to land by Jewish settlers against the claims of other indiginous peoples...does that make him anti-semitic? Another can of worms opened...
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