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SteveG 
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 Posted: May 26 2020 at 10:14 |
You would have enjoyed that part of the sixties Jose! 
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Cristi
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 10:30 |
 SteveG wrote:
You would have enjoyed that part of the sixties Jose!
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that was religious narrow-mindedness and fanaticism.
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 11:01 |
Cristi wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Too many floyd fanboys getting their knickers in a twist...floyd are in my second division, they are never going to threaten Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus, IQ, Flowerkings, Spocks Beard, Glasshammer...ad nauseum... |
funny that you criticize fanboys when you are the ultimate Genesis fanboy here, you may have even ruined Genesis for a few people.
I would not compare Floyd with ELP or Yes, apples and oranges, Genesis as well.
BTW, IQ is definitely influenced by Floyd 
Why do you misspell names of bands you say are favorite of yours?
Oh, and Glass Hammer is one of the most tedious (to put it gently) retro-prog bands I've ever heard.
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Crisi. I AM not a Genesis fanboy. Am I? I do not listen to any Genesis after 1977...and at the moment I prefer Yes...and as for spelling...what law of physics says I can't like a band if I cannot spell their name? Eh?
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 11:11 |
Cristi wrote:
SteveG wrote:
You would have enjoyed that part of the sixties Jose!
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that was religious narrow-mindedness and fanaticism. |
So this is where Utopia got the idea for their Swing to the Right album....
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 11:28 |
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^ christians have form for burning rival cultural books way before the nazis did...The burning of the library at alexandria was their biggest crime...set western civilisation back nearly 1800 years....we may have put a man on the moon in the dark ages, rather than bend our feckin knees to iron age ideas...
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SteveG
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 11:30 |
Cristi wrote:
SteveG wrote:
You would have enjoyed that part of the sixties Jose!
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that was religious narrow-mindedness and fanaticism. |
oh, it wasn't that bad. They only burned their albums. There was a time when the Christians would have actually burned the Beatles.
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RaphaelT
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 12:07 |
Gee, that was rejuvenating. I feel like it is 1995 again and I'm in high school arguing with my friend. With whom we stayed friends all that time. What are we discussing is mainly history. Did Roger sue his colleagues and lost? Yes, he did. Thirty five years ago. Did David carry the torch since? Yes, he did. Pink Floyd recorded two not-as-good-as-the-old-ones albums and ceased to record and tour in 1995. Twenty five years ago. Did they rejoin for one act? Yes, they did so in 2005. Fifteen years ago. Was the Reunion of the band possible (regardless with or without Waters)? Well, it cannot happen since Rick's death. Twelve years ago. And yet, Roger reconciled with Nick, and they have even performed with David for one rendition of Comfortably Numb in 2011. Pink Floyd is simply a history now. We are discussing two guys in their seventies. How much time they are left ahead? Some fifteen, twenty, let's say even thirty years. What's the use of playing the oh-so-long-ago lost and won wars again and again? Instead, more mature would be remembering the common twenty years of great history together and just let Roger Waters have his place on the bands site. Just because of what he did in good old days. Forget the bad, remember the good. Unless, of course, something happened between these two gentlemen in recent days, which we are not aware of. Or, maybe, Mr Gilmour wants to prove again that he is the real Pink Floyd and is preparing some new stuff of the band. If it is so, he can take my money in advance.
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yet you still have time!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 13:32 |
rogerthat wrote:
So I understand where MZBarney's complaint is
coming from, the problem is only that he overstates it and completely
dismisses Floyd's genius in putting together great studio albums,
something that they were far better at than any of their prog peers.
The other bands just wrote a bunch of compositions they loved and
released it (Lamb being the only exception and for which Banks and Rutherford duly rewarded Gabriel by firing him).
That is why they don't have a particular point of view or story to
tell. But musically, they have more depth than Floyd's 'classic' phase
and I would likewise say the first two PF albums had more depth than the
70s classic phase. |
Uh!!.... 
Peter
was leaving the band in his head before the end of the recording the
album, he announced mid-tour he was leaving, returned for a while after
being busy on a William Friedkin project, then finally left for good. 
Jeffro wrote:
So their genius is reinventing themselves and yet sounding the same?
I'm not a Floyd hater, quite the opposite, but you're not making much sense. |
I spoke earlier in this thread of a nuance, and obviously it's not evident to some.
You can reinvent yourself musically at every new œuvre and still keep your soul and your sound.
M27Barney wrote:
Crisi.
I AM not a Genesis fanboy. Am I? I do not listen to any Genesis after
1977...and at the moment I prefer Yes...and as for spelling...what law
of physics says I can't like a band if I cannot spell their name?
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in highschool, I once wrote a
bunch of bands I loved on the carboard of one of my binders, and write
purposely Jimmy Hendrickx to make people jump out (and scream that I was
a fraud). They could still admit to the Jimmy part, but I really had to
show them a torn Belgian phonebook page, filled with people called
Hendrickx, and none ever called Hendrix.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 13:33 |
RaphaelT wrote:
Gee, that was rejuvenating. I feel like it is 1995 again and I'm in high school arguing with my friend. With whom we stayed friends all that time. What are we discussing is mainly history. Did Roger sue his colleagues and lost? Yes, he did. Thirty five years ago. Did David carry the torch since? Yes, he did. Pink Floyd recorded two not-as-good-as-the-old-ones albums and ceased to record and tour in 1995. Twenty five years ago. Did they rejoin for one act? Yes, they did so in 2005. Fifteen years ago. Was the Reunion of the band possible (regardless with or without Waters)? Well, it cannot happen since Rick's death. Twelve years ago. And yet, Roger reconciled with Nick, and they have even performed with David for one rendition of Comfortably Numb in 2011. Pink Floyd is simply a history now. We are discussing two guys in their seventies. How much time they are left ahead? Some fifteen, twenty, let's say even thirty years. What's the use of playing the oh-so-long-ago lost and won wars again and again? Instead, more mature would be remembering the common twenty years of great history together and just let Roger Waters have his place on the bands site. Just because of what he did in good old days. Forget the bad, remember the good. Unless, of course, something happened between these two gentlemen in recent days, which we are not aware of. Or, maybe, Mr Gilmour wants to prove again that he is the real Pink Floyd and is preparing some new stuff of the band. If it is so, he can take my money in advance. |
David Gilmour stated recently in an interview with CBS that Pink Floyd is no more, there is never going to be a new Pink Floyd album, he said that is the past its done.
To the balance of your post which is very good.....what else are we going to talk about here on PA??
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 13:35 |
SteveG wrote:
You would have enjoyed that part of the sixties Jose!
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Dang it!!! I love bonfires  ......s'mores anyone?
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 14:01 |
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Anyway...didn't waters think that educating children was a bad idea? Sounds very like most fundamentalist religionists to me...they definately don't want children asking awkward questions...and most don't want girls to be educated at all...surely the wall missed the zeitgeist completely?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 14:24 |
M27Barney wrote:
Anyway...didn't waters think that educating children was a bad idea? Sounds very like most fundamentalist religionists to me...they definately don't want children asking awkward questions...and most don't want girls to be educated at all...surely the wall missed the zeitgeist completely? |
unless an idiot (and I don't believe you're one, but yoyu're playing one), there is no possible way you could misunderstand what Waters meant in that song, and opt for the exact opposite of what he meant...
Just look at the video of the film and you shall understand that he hated the way of the old school was enforced on kids.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 15:26 |
Sean Trane wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Anyway...didn't waters think that educating children was a bad idea? Sounds very like most fundamentalist religionists to me...they definately don't want children asking awkward questions...and most don't want girls to be educated at all...surely the wall missed the zeitgeist completely? |
unless an idiot (and I don't believe you're one, but yoyu're playing one), there is no possible way you could misunderstand what Waters meant in that song, and opt for the exact opposite of what he meant...
Just look at the video of the film and you shall understand that he hated the way of the old school was enforced on kids. |
You're right Sean, talk about someone completely oblivious to the words of the song, the intent of the words, or the teacher in the movie smacking around the student. So I've altered the lyrics just to fit M27:
Barney needs more education Barney has no self control Can't read the lyrics off the album Barney leave Pink Floyd alone -- Barney! Leave Pink Floyd alone. All in all you're just a troll slinging sh*t on The Wall -- More or less you're just a-nother Troll soon to fall.
If you don't read the lyrics, You can't be taken seriously. How can you be taken seriously If you don't read the lyrics?
Edited by The Dark Elf - May 26 2020 at 21:12
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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silverpot
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 15:30 |
M27Barney wrote:
^ christians have form for burning rival cultural books way before the nazis did...The burning of the library at alexandria was their biggest crime...set western civilisation back nearly 1800 years....we may have put a man on the moon in the dark ages, rather than bend our feckin knees to iron age ideas... |
Oops, I think you may want to check your history sources here . The Christians had nothing to do with this liberary. According to Plutarchos it burned down in the year 47 before christ. There are different takes on this but anyway you twist it - there were no christians around to accuse at the time.
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Cristi
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 20:59 |
M27Barney wrote:
Cristi wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Too many floyd fanboys getting their knickers in a twist...floyd are in my second division, they are never going to threaten Genesis, Yes, ELP, Focus, IQ, Flowerkings, Spocks Beard, Glasshammer...ad nauseum... |
funny that you criticize fanboys when you are the ultimate Genesis fanboy here, you may have even ruined Genesis for a few people.
I would not compare Floyd with ELP or Yes, apples and oranges, Genesis as well.
BTW, IQ is definitely influenced by Floyd
Why do you misspell names of bands you say are favorite of yours?
Oh, and Glass Hammer is one of the most tedious (to put it gently) retro-prog bands I've ever heard.
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Crisi. I AM not a Genesis fanboy. Am I? I do not listen to any Genesis after 1977...and at the moment I prefer Yes...and as for spelling...what law of physics says I can't like a band if I cannot spell their name? Eh? |
I was making a simple observation, it's just what i see and well, I saw you making a big fuss anytime someone talks ill or disagrees with you on Genesis especially (and a few other bands you like). Maybe I am wrong. Or maybe you are trolling us
Simply misspelling band names it's just... lazy. 
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Cristi
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 21:02 |
having a closer look, it's a rather disturbing picture as I see adults encouraging the youngsters to burn the albums.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 22:07 |
Sean Trane wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
So I understand where MZBarney's complaint is
coming from, the problem is only that he overstates it and completely
dismisses Floyd's genius in putting together great studio albums,
something that they were far better at than any of their prog peers.
The other bands just wrote a bunch of compositions they loved and
released it (Lamb being the only exception and for which Banks and Rutherford duly rewarded Gabriel by firing him).
That is why they don't have a particular point of view or story to
tell. But musically, they have more depth than Floyd's 'classic' phase
and I would likewise say the first two PF albums had more depth than the
70s classic phase. |
Uh!!....
Peter
was leaving the band in his head before the end of the recording the
album, he announced mid-tour he was leaving, returned for a while after
being busy on a William Friedkin project, then finally left for good. |
He left also because of the unbearable resentment, the constant griping from the others that only Gabriel was getting the press attention. That is why concept albums didn't work at that time, because the one who devised the concepts became the dominant force (this happened all over again with Waters and Floyd). Genesis wanted to go right back to just writing a bunch of nice compositions and releasing a compilation thereof called 'album'.
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 23:15 |
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^ Aye. Didn't Neal Morse also leave after "snow"? Not sure for the same reasons as the other two tho...
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2020 at 23:25 |
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And I am not trolling...which is usually vitriolic diatribe made agin fellow posters. I'm not particularly familiar with the lyrical content of the wall...just remember that Waters hated school and the hook of children singing "we dont need no education" and bad teachers like hammers in the video. Isuppose as with all lyrics...they could be interpreted any way the listener chooses....possibly why I disliked English Lit at school, preferred calculus over "Tess o'th Durbavilles" every day of the week..
Edited by M27Barney - May 26 2020 at 23:26
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 27 2020 at 01:10 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Anyway...didn't waters think that educating children was a bad idea? Sounds very like most fundamentalist religionists to me...they definately don't want children asking awkward questions...and most don't want girls to be educated at all...surely the wall missed the zeitgeist completely? |
unless an idiot (and I don't believe you're one, but yoyu're playing one), there is no possible way you could misunderstand what Waters meant in that song, and opt for the exact opposite of what he meant...
Just look at the video of the film and you shall understand that he hated the way of the old school was enforced on kids. |
You're right Sean, talk about someone completely oblivious to the words of the song, the intent of the words, or the teacher in the movie smacking around the student. So I've altered the lyrics just to fit M27:
Barney needs more education Barney has no self control Can't read the lyrics off the album Barney leave Pink Floyd alone -- Barney! Leave Pink Floyd alone. All in all you're just a troll slinging sh*t on The Wall -- More or less you're just a-nother Troll soon to fall.
If you don't read the lyrics, You can't be taken seriously. How can you be taken seriously If you don't read the lyrics?
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M27Barney wrote:
^ Aye. Didn't Neal Morse also leave after "snow"?
Not sure for the same reasons as the other two tho... |
Well,
one could see a parallel between SB and Genesis (frontman leaving and
drummer stepping out front), but it was for different causes
The
Gabe had family issues (a son that needed a lot of meical attention)
and didn't want to leave his wife alone , while touring around the
planet, and the Walrus's (mose in French) religious proselytism that was
terribly annoying the rest of the band. All the man was talking about was his newly fpound christian fauth and that's all ha wanted to write about, if memory serves.
Genesis wouold've loved to keep Gabe in, while SB +/- kicked their Walrus foul-breath frontman out.
But in either case, this has nothing to do with Floyd
And
while one of the protag' in Supertramp was also named Roger, wanting
out and have the rest of the band not using his songs live, little
resemblance
Edited by Sean Trane - May 27 2020 at 01:21
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