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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe has always been a genuine YES album to me too - even though it doesn't include Chris Squire - in just the same way as The Quest (2021) and Mirror to the Sky (2023) are bona fide YES albums, even though the only original member is Steve Howe. My favourite YES album by far is The Quest, although some may say my heart is in the wrong place. Tongue


That's the beautiful thing about YES.  Every album can end up as your favorite.  Depends on the fan.  
I adore The Big Generator and ABWH.  Some folks dig Drama.  Other's go for the Quest.  I imagine "Mirror to the Sky" will wurm it's way into the hearts of others. 

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH had four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five must be much better. 


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH has four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five is much better. 

How is it genuine when even the musicians did not release it under the Yes name?! 
I read long ago that it was released under ABWH out of respect for Chris Squire, because he had been the heart and soul of the band, the driving force behind it. I can understand that. 
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ABWH. Always liked Brother of Mine, Birthright and Order of the Universe. Teakbois is bad, like Circus of Heaven bad. The rest is decent enough though. I listened to the album often when it first came out. Solid effort overall.

Tears for Fears is not really Prog, but this was a good pop album. Kings X Gretchen Goes to Nebraska is the best album they did. They deserved a bigger stage than they ever received.

I have Rush's Presto, but it's a mediocre album. It's part of a run of mediocre releases by Rush that began with Hold Your Fire.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH has four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five is much better. 

How is it genuine when even the musicians did not release it under the Yes name?! 
I read long ago that it was released under ABWH out of respect for Chris Squire, because he had been the heart and soul of the band, the driving force behind it. I can understand that. 

 

I defer to Shakespeare-  "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH has four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five is much better. 

How is it genuine when even the musicians did not release it under the Yes name?! 
I read long ago that it was released under ABWH out of respect for Chris Squire, because he had been the heart and soul of the band, the driving force behind it. I can understand that. 
I defer to Shakespeare-  "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

again, the project was called ABWH, let's leave it as that. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH has four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five is much better. 

How is it genuine when even the musicians did not release it under the Yes name?! 
I read long ago that it was released under ABWH out of respect for Chris Squire, because he had been the heart and soul of the band, the driving force behind it. I can understand that. 
I read today that Squire instructed his lawyers to not let ABWH use the "Yes" name. I like the ABWH album but Bruford's snare sound spoils it for me. Tears For Fears album is good but there's nothing really prog about it so I'm going for ABWH.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I read today that Squire instructed his lawyers to not let ABWH use the "Yes" name.

Totally different from what i read... Definitely a wtf moment here... LOL
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH has four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five is much better. 


How is it genuine when even the musicians did not release it under the Yes name?! 
I read long ago that it was released under ABWH out of respect for Chris Squire, because he had been the heart and soul of the band, the driving force behind it. I can understand that. 

I read today that Squire instructed his lawyers to not let ABWH use the "Yes" name. I like the ABWH album but Bruford's snare sound spoils it for me. Tears For Fears album is good but there's nothing really prog about it so I'm going for ABWH.


Correct. There was a lawsuit that was filed to prevent ABWH from using the name "Yes" in any of its promotional material for the tour. In June, 1989 a U.S. District Court Judge ruled in ABWH favor they could refer to their heritage and material to promote the tour.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

1. Tears for Fears
2. Kenso
3. Isidurs Bane
4. Outer Limits
5. Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
Sorry Paul, but your #1 is pretty laughable top Progressive Rock album for 1989, even considering it's based on Wikipedia's timeline. Embarrassed
The Seeds of Love is the only 5-star album for me in this poll, so it was an obvious choice for the #1 slot, although it'd be a Mad World indeed if Tears for Fears were classed as a prog band here at ProgArchives. Still, stranger things have happened. Wink

Thanks for your explanation, Paul, and sorry again for getting a bit angry, but to me it's a matter of respect for Progressive Rock. Smile
 
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ABWH > Saga > Tears for Fears > Marillion > Rush.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe has always been a genuine YES album to me too - even though it doesn't include Chris Squire - in just the same way as The Quest (2021) and Mirror to the Sky (2023) are bona fide YES albums, even though the only original member is Steve Howe. My favourite YES album by far is The Quest, although some may say my heart is in the wrong place. Tongue


That's the beautiful thing about YES.  Every album can end up as your favorite.  Depends on the fan.  
I adore The Big Generator and ABWH.  Some folks dig Drama.  Other's go for the Quest.  I imagine "Mirror to the Sky" will wurm it's way into the hearts of others. 

Of course ABWH is a genuine YES album.  How many musicians have been members of YES?  ABWH had four members from it's Fragile/CTTE line up. Like Meat Loaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad"... if true, then Four out of five must be much better. 
Yes indeed! Four out of five ain't bad at all, but whenever I hear people say present-day YES is a pale imitation of classic YES, I feel every day a little sadder, maybe even a little madder, someone get me The Ladder album instead. Tongue
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Thanks for your explanation, Paul, and sorry again for getting a bit angry, but to me it's a matter of respect for Progressive Rock. Smile

The positive side of it, I take you a bit seriously. Big smile

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Thinking Plague > Ozric Tentacles > ABWH
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So many great albums here but I gotta go with my favourite Metal band Fates Warning.
Next five in no order are by:
King's X
Marillion
Djam Karet
Art Zoyd
Thinking Plague
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1. KING'S X Gretchen Goes to Nebraska (about as perfect a rock album as one can imagine) / DJAM KARET Reflections from the Firepool (a masterpiece) (tie)
2. KENSO Sparta / FATES WARNING Perfect Symmetry (tie)
3. OZRIC TENTACLES Pungent EffulgentDREAM THEATER When Dream and Day Unite (tie)
4. NUOVA ERA Dopo L'Infinito / ART ZOYD Nosferatu (tie)
5. RUSH Presto / ANDERSON, BRUFORD, WAKEMAN, HOWE (they're not consistent as previous releases, but have some fine songs) (tie)
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ABWH
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ABWH


Seems pretty popular!!
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


ABWH


Seems pretty popular!!


It does, although that might also be because not enough of the other releases are known or considered strong or are as mainstream Prog audience. It definitely does have fans, but a very middling rating at PA (3.19) with 399 ratings. If it weren't a Yes album essentially, let me rephrase that, almost a Yes album in various ways essentially, then I wonder how popular it would be (like if Univers Zero came out with that -- I tend to think Univers Zero might be more popular than it is)
I don't mind it (even quite like it), and am not surprised that people like it, I'm just more into other stuff from the time -- not just so-called avant prog like Cardiacs' On Land and in the Sea (which should have been the representative but darned wiki bad timeline) and Thinking Plague, but more mainstream music like The Cure's Disintegration for instance.
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This was a great period for me musically - I was late teens and getting heavily into rock music. King’s X were my favourite band at this time and could do no wrong in my eyes!

But Faith No More with The Real Thing would have been a very strong contender this year too. And Can’t Look Away by Trevor Rabin - and I had no idea at the time that he had been involved with Yes….
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I have to go with Marillion>Fates Warning>Jethro Tull>Rush>ABWH.  Not a great year for prog.  However, Season's End is my favorite post-Fish Marillion album and imho probably equal to the Fish-era albums.
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