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Lindsay Lohan
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Topic: Music=Art? Posted: October 19 2005 at 06:52 |
Would you describe all music to be art? I mean there are so many simplistic band where there is no brains involved in the writing process. It just to play a bunch of riffs and take the one that sounds best and then it is a song... I mean i basically hear many simplistic artists to really describe them as ART-ists as if their music really had a deep meaning or something while in reality it is just trying to make the music that they thinks gets them the most money...
...So when does music go from being music to being an artform?
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chopper
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:13 |
If you're going to say that music is art, then that must surely apply to all music, however good or bad it is. You couldn't differentiate between good or bad as it's too subjective, what you call "a bunch of riffs" would be great music to someone.
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Bob Greece
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:15 |
Would you describe all paintings as being art? I mean there are so many simplistic paintings where there is no brains involved in the painting process. It's just a few buckets of paint and take the one that looks best and then it is a painting... I mean I basically see many simplistic artists and to really describe them as ART-ists as if their paintings really had a deep meaning or something while in reality they are just trying to make the paintings that they think get them the most money...
...So when does painting go from being painting to being an artform?
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:18 |
chopper wrote:
If you're going to say that music is art, then that must surely apply to all music, however good or bad it is. You couldn't differentiate between good or bad as it's too subjective, what you call "a bunch of riffs" would be great music to someone. |
No i would never classify music as art and i wonder why people classify it as art. And i am not saying that a GOOD music is art and BAD music is not art. Im basically saying that most artists however good they may be usually never composes music to be deep but they create music just to make it sound as good as possible.
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Joren
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:20 |
Music is an artform. When you create something out of your own emotion, you express yourself and you do that through a sculpture, painting, poem, composition, performance or whatever then I call that art.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:21 |
Bob Greece wrote:
Would you describe all paintings as being art? I mean there are so many simplistic paintings where there is no brains involved in the painting process. It's just a few buckets of paint and take the one that looks best and then it is a painting... I mean I basically see many simplistic artists and to really describe them as ART-ists as if their paintings really had a deep meaning or something while in reality they are just trying to make the paintings that they think get them the most money...
...So when does painting go from being painting to being an artform?
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Ah the diffrence between childrens drawings and modern popular art is that the modern popular artists CLAIM that they have some deep and hidden meaning in their paintings...They claim that they dont only paint to make a good painting they paint to express their feelings and to represent some kind of deeper meaning.
I mean you can make a totally black painting and CLAIM that you have some deep meaning about it and then it is ART.
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Joren
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:22 |
BTW music has - as far as I know - always been regarded as an artform, often even as the "highest" (because it doesn't "stay"; music is not a definitive "solid" product like a painting: it begins and ends).
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:23 |
Joren wrote:
Music is an artform. When you create something out of your own emotion, you express yourself and you do that through a sculpture, painting, poem, composition, performance or whatever then I call that art. |
Yes i agree with that...Music that is made out of people expressing their emotions or creativty is art...HOWEVER there is not everyone that composes that way.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:24 |
Joren wrote:
BTW music has - as far as I know - always been regarded as an artform, often even as the "highest" (because it doesn't "stay"; music is not a definitive "solid" product like a painting: it begins and ends). |
but what is the point of naming a genre ART-rock then ? 
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cobb
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:29 |
Art is art and music is an artform
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:30 |
Music is definitely a legitimate form of Art
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:30 |
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Music is definitely a legitimate form of Art |
So all kinds of music including Boyzone is art?
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:31 |
BTW my definition of ART is some medium in wich you can express your creativity
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:32 |
If music is an artform all music must be considered,not just the ones you like and don't like.
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proger
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:32 |
yes of course
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:32 |
maidenrulez wrote:
BTW my definition of ART is some medium in wich you can express your creativity |
Then music definitely applies
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:33 |
Some musicians are artists, some are merely businessmen. Art-Rock is a good label for bands who try to create works of art. Like it was said in the above posts ... whether some work is "just" music or a work of art lies in the eye (ear) of the beholder.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:33 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
If music is an artform all music must be considered,not just the ones you like and don't like. |
Ah but i like boyzone However i do not belivie they make music to express their creativty i belivie they make music to make the most money. And besides whats the point with the art-rock genre then if all music is art? 
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Jim Garten
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:51 |
There have always been artists who work for money only - populist painters for everything from chocolate box lids to the awful green-skinned lady from the 1970s (people of a certain age will know the painting I mean...); even Van Gogh and Picasso occasionally painted to make money to pay the rent - it was their job... This is not to say that a Boyzone CD will sell in a hundred years for millions of dollars, though  .
Back to your original question though - music (even the most basic) is an art-form, capable not only of expressing the emotion of the artist/musician (and if they're lucky, making some money as well), but deeply affecting it's audience.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 19 2005 at 07:53 |
Jim: I agree ... artists work for themselves AND for the viewers/listeners. I guess there's a fine line between compromising your artistic integrity, and making your work more accessible.
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