The major groups in prog

oliverstoned wrote: I like repetitive music, like in "Camembert electrique" or in "Inventions for electric guitar" but in Gentle giant, i find it boring and indisgestible...

To be honest, I am also a GG-non fan, but mainly because of the main vocals, whose appeal I cannot understand. OK for the vocals sung in canon, the more pleasant vocals (the second vocalist, which should use more often his vocal chords than the main one... sorry if I can't give them a name), and the use of medieval and renaissance motifs in their music but the result sounds very dated and very hard to enter in.

Bands that I like the most in the prog area :

Ambrosia (great vocal harmonies and diverse music on their first three albums)

Saga (they have one of the most creative and talented bassist with them)

Supertramp (unforgettable melodies)

Sagrado Coraçao Da Terra (the greatest surprise for me since I'm into prog)

Queensryche

Marillion (no comment)

IQ (I re-discovered them with their last and best album)

It Bites (Francis Dunnery was a real musical genious)

Mike Oldfield

Dixie Dregs (much more accessible than Mahavishnu Orchestra and much more eclectic and... simply better)

Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson has aa astonishing voice and Barriemore Barlow's drumming impresses me veru much)

Renaissance (both line-ups recorded fantastic albums)

Le Orme (sublime voice)

Gordon Giltrap ('The peacock party' is one of the best instrumental work ever recorded)

Anthony Phillips (one of the few artists that achieved "non-boring" acoustic albums)

I am really not keen on what I would call the more "extreme" prog : Anglagard, Soft Machine, Henry Cow and other "difficult" music.

Reed Lover wrote: Lunarscape wrote: And Trace, Triumvirat  ? Kayak ? Mainstream bigtimers in their time. Renaissance ? Kayak ?

Where did you get this picture of Kansas Reed Lover?

Actually I would suggest you look for any band that has 10 LPS or more that you don't own...buy it and see if you like it....they obviously showed some kind of staying power.....just make sure it isn't 3 studio,3 compilations and 4 lives....ya want to make sure 7 or more are studio LPS....that is how I do it.

danbo wrote: Or you get some idiot to send you some back-up discs....

....that sounds illegal!!!

oliverstoned wrote: lucas wrote: oliverstoned wrote: I like repetitive music, like in "Camembert electrique" or in "Inventions for electric guitar" but in Gentle giant, i find it boring and indisgestible... To be honest, I am also a GG-non fan, but mainly because of the main vocals, whose appeal I cannot understand. OK for the vocals sung in canon, the more pleasant vocals (the second vocalist, which should use more often his vocal chords than the main one... sorry if I can't give them a name), and the use of medieval and renaissance motifs in their music but the result sounds very dated and very hard to enter in. Bands that I like the most in the prog area : Ambrosia (great vocal harmonies and diverse music on their first three albums) Saga (they have one of the most creative and talented bassist with them) Supertramp (unforgettable melodies) Sagrado Coraçao Da Terra (the greatest surprise for me since I'm into prog) Queensryche Marillion (no comment) IQ (I re-discovered them with their last and best album) It Bites (Francis Dunnery was a real musical genious) Mike Oldfield Dixie Dregs (much more accessible than Mahavishnu Orchestra and much more eclectic and... simply better) Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson has aa astonishing voice and Barriemore Barlow's drumming impresses me veru much) Renaissance (both line-ups recorded fantastic albums) Le Orme (sublime voice) Gordon Giltrap ('The peacock party' is one of the best instrumental work ever recorded) Anthony Phillips (one of the few artists that achieved "non-boring" acoustic albums) I am really not keen on what I would call the more "extreme" prog : Anglagard, Soft Machine, Henry Cow and other "difficult" music. salut Lucas, You have quoted two things that i don't know and may interest me: Dixie Dregs and Anthony Phillips Could you describe more precisely his music?

Dixie Dregs : a "listenable" fusion band that can play jazz, rock, bluegrass and classic music. They feature the phenomenal Steve Morse on guitar (who also wrotes the composition) and drummer extraordinaire Rod Morgenstein. They are influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra (same instrumentation, including the violin), the Allman Brothers, country music and Baroque music (especially Bach). Each title on their CDs is different from the other and the music is pure enjoyment.

Anthony Phillips : the music is mellow and acoustically driven. Albums like 'The geese and the ghost' and 'Wise after the event' feature a full rock-orchestration (with drums played by Phil Collins on the first one and by Mike Giles on the second one). We can draw a parallel between 'The geese' and Steve Hackett's first album. His Private Parts and Pieces are mainly solo albums, with mainly guitar playing but also piano.

Carl floyd fan wrote: This is strictly 60s and 70s BTW I would say that any true prog fan should have at least one album from at least ten of the following bands, which I consider to be the main players.  Feel free to add and take away, but I can't see how any of these bands would be taken away.  Most of these bands continued for more than a decade and is part of the reason why some appear in the list. Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Camel, Van Der Graaf Generator, Focus, Ash Ra tempel, ELP, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Jethro Tull, Eloy, Gong, Hawkwind, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, The Soft Machine, Steve Hillage, Mike Oldfield, Can, Nektar, Barclay James Harvest and Jade Warrior. I have many cds by all of those bands above and although I d/l from hundreds more, I need to be pointed in a good direction when it comes to 2nd-tier bands and purchasing actual cds.

Ash Ra Tempel - Just found out they include Klaus Schulse.If they sound like Tangerine Dream why not include them.Never listened to them,must investigate.Got lots of T.D. albums though.

Steve Hillage - if you include Khan.

Nektar - Melodic rock with Canterbury scene thrown in.non-essential I would have thought.

Jade Warrior - Wouldn't have said essential at all.

Barclay James Harvest - did they they really advance the Moody Blues music that much other influences are not really original.

Seems to me your selections have to much bias to the Canterbury scene.Essential to have a few from that scene,but not that many - you have not included Henry Cow,however,who put a more experimental jazz tinge in the music.

Family - should be included because they influenced both Yes & Genesis.

Colosseum - Prog jazz/blues/fusion - important to investigate the roots of that side of prog.

Vanilla Fudge - not really prog,but important as originators of organ driven heavy rock prog type music.

Spooky Tooth - building on the Yardbirds,Blossom Toes they could be said to be the first true blues organ/guitar driven prog group.Deep Purplish in sound.

If - J.W. hodgkinson(vocals) & Dick Morrissey(Sax) - unique sounds

Carl floyd fan wrote: This is strictly 60s and 70s BTW I would say that any true prog fan should have at least one album from at least ten of the following bands, which I consider to be the main players.  Feel free to add and take away, but I can't see how any of these bands would be taken away.  Most of these bands continued for more than a decade and is part of the reason why some appear in the list. Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Camel, Van Der Graaf Generator, Focus, Ash Ra tempel, ELP, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Jethro Tull, Eloy, Gong, Hawkwind, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, The Soft Machine, Steve Hillage, Mike Oldfield, Can, Nektar, Barclay James Harvest and Jade Warrior. I have many cds by all of those bands above and although I d/l from hundreds more, I need to be pointed in a good direction when it comes to 2nd-tier bands and purchasing actual cds.

I don't know how many times I've read that list ....but.....

WHERE IS RUSH????

and who the heck are Ash Ra Temple??

Dick Heath wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Dick Heath wrote: oliverstoned wrote: PF, Gong, Soft Machine defined Prog ...not Gentle Giant! Let's be contentious. PF: definitely prog???? On a historical basis they were late in the game. Until Meddle or even Dark Side Of The Moon, we first generation British prog fans, wouldn't have included PF under the heading of 'prog', they were 'English psychedelic' (beit the most important British psychedelic band of the late 60's and early 70's). I suspect it was the American discovery of PF, and need to find a category for their music, that 'prog' was first used. Ok they were psyche at the beggining, more than prog But don't forget that psyche is the ancestor of prog Moreover,look at the video , or listen to the cd "London 66/67" by PF, and you'll understand how good and precursor they were...   Floyd and Machine (Arthur Brown and later Hawkwind) were providing the semi-continuous soundtrack to the drug-induced trip of 66 and 67. Many of the out of town gigs Floyd did in the late 60's, went on for many hours; the not so hidden agenda being to see the freaks and hippies through to the other side of their journeys.  It took Floyd some time to get over the shock that Syd wasn't  with them anymore and realise British music had moved on, and you hear those albums released 1970 71 or so, as part of the search for a new direction, Umma Gumma being one of those albums at the crossroads.

Yes it's the hinge between psyche and prog...

lucas wrote: Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson has aa astonishing voice and Barriemore Barlow's drumming impresses me veru much)

Does anybody know where Barriemore Barlow went after his time in Tull? I love his work and I'd be keen to know what became of him?