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mizzin 
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 Topic: Are TOTO a prog rock band???
Posted: September 09 2006 at 05:18 |
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I think that they are pure art rock and surely can be classified as jazz-rock\fusion. So, what do you think?
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 05:21 |
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I think they are all superb musicians.I always thought Steve Lukather was a very underrated guitarist.
But not prog....strictly AOR.
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 05:21 |
(you think they're pure art rock, but they're jazz rock?  ) no for Toto.
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mizzin
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 05:25 |
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(you think they're pure art rock, but they're jazz rock? )
-Art in the beginning (Hydra, Turn Back...) and jazz rock in the 90's(Tambu, Falling In Between...)
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Intruder
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 05:34 |
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Overproduced supergroup....talented musicians making streamlined pop-rock with at times arty, jazzy and even funky undertones. Not my taste but not all that bad.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:08 |
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Toto is pop at it's most advanced. I love it! All excellent musicians.
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salmacis
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:41 |
Jazz rock?? Nope- there is a jazz influence in their work, but unless Steely Dan are your idea of jazz rock (who Toto sound considerably like, imo) I can't see it. Certainly not amongst bands like Mahavishnu Orchestra, Soft Machine, Return To Forever etc. that are in that category here.
In fact, Toto are a band I can't even see as prog related. Even the one often pointed to as being prog, 'Hydra', wasn't imo. Pure AOR, but one of the best bands of the genre, imo.
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:59 |
 salmacis wrote:
Jazz rock?? Nope- there is a jazz influence in their work, but unless Steely Dan are your idea of jazz rock (who Toto sound considerably like, imo) I can't see it. Certainly not amongst bands like Mahavishnu Orchestra, Soft Machine, Return To Forever etc. that are in that category here.
In fact, Toto are a band I can't even see as prog related. Even the one often pointed to as being prog, 'Hydra', wasn't imo. Pure AOR, but one of the best bands of the genre, imo. |
 As a matter of fact, in the Non-Prog section there is a Toto poll, in which I was severely reprimanded by an newbie because I reacted strongly to the suggestion of adding Toto to the PA database. He mentioned to me some songs, telling me they were strongly prog-related ... pity that I knew at least one of them, and could see no relation at all!
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:04 |
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I only know Toto from their typical Pop songs and the album Mindfields. I must say that I really enjoy listening to it, and it includes an interesting mix of genres and a slight touch of prog.
BTW: I once started a detailed Toto poll ... but I can't find it anymore. The search function seems to be quite unreliable ... I only found one topic which contains the word "toto" (there must be more than one thread about them).
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:10 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:13 |
^ Thanks! But it's really odd ... I entered "Toto", last 6 months (and older), and chose "All Forums". 
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:16 |
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^ the odd thing is that the search lists my poll if I select "Last 6 Months (and newer)", when it was in fact started more than 6 months ago ....
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:22 |
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The Search function sometimes behaves oddly, as I have experienced myself when looking for duplicate threads. There are lots of bugs around, but most of them can only fixed by Max. We often bring such matters up in the Admin section, and he tries to do what he can about it. I'll try to get his attention on this too.
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:21 |
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I like Toto, but they aren't progressive rock. I'm sure if they went that way then they would be phenomenal.
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:24 |
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toto
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:30 |
Hold the line, Toto progressive? Not really, but that doesn't stop them from being a really good band. 
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 09:34 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
salmacis wrote:
Jazz rock?? Nope- there is a jazz influence in their work, but unless Steely Dan are your idea of jazz rock (who Toto sound considerably like, imo) I can't see it. Certainly not amongst bands like Mahavishnu Orchestra, Soft Machine, Return To Forever etc. that are in that category here.
In fact, Toto are a band I can't even see as prog related. Even the one often pointed to as being prog, 'Hydra', wasn't imo. Pure AOR, but one of the best bands of the genre, imo. |
As a matter of fact, in the Non-Prog section there is a Toto poll, in which I was severely reprimanded by an newbie because I reacted strongly to the suggestion of adding Toto to the PA database. He mentioned to me some songs, telling me they were strongly prog-related ... pity that I knew at least one of them, and could see no relation at all!
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I saw that GR- don't worry, it's nonsense. 'Hydra' and 'St George and the Dragon' aren't prog imo- I can't see how you could see any prog there. Some just want their favourite bands in the archives!! 
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:30 |
I only know them from their popular tracks on the radio.
On that basis, I'd have to say a resounding "NO!" -- just the kind of super-slick, safe, predictable pop pap that I always turned off. I don't think I've ever liked any of their stuff. 
Plus, Zappa made fun of them (Toado)....
As I've often said, "progressive" is such a slippery term, and not, I think, to be interpreted in a literal, dictionary sense. There's TONS of slick, smart, very well done pop out there (Steely Dan, Paul Simon, Sting, The Blue Nile, Prefab Sprout, XTC, etc, etc, etc. -- the list would be HUGE) that is the product of intelligent, talented musicians and top notch studio craft. -- but it's not "progressive rock," at least not according to how I and most other long-term prog fans understand the term.
We can't just make "prog" synonymous with "better than average," "something else some prog fans like," or "good" (an even more subjective term). If we did, practically all forms of music -- blues, bluegrass, country, hip hop, soul, etc, would need to be included here with the prefix "prog" tacked on to them. I imagine there are 'bad," "average" "good" and "great" examples of all genres, but substituting the word "prog" for "good" is not valid, IMO. 
It's hard to express, but I thing "prog" implies a certain degree of musical daring, "difficulty" or, well, "weirdness."
Toto sounds very average, or normal, to me -- there is no "challenge" to me there, or to radio programmers -- thus their ubiquitous presence on mainstream radio.
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 10 2006 at 15:38
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 05:05 |
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TOTO is only a best band of AOR like Boston... Journey... Bad Company... And many more!
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 11 2006 at 05:07 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
I only know them from their popular tracks on the radio.
On that basis, I'd have to say a resounding "NO!" -- just the kind of super-slick, safe, predictable pop pap that I always turned off. I don't think I've ever liked any of their stuff.
Plus, Zappa made fun of them (Toado)....
As I've often said, "progressive" is such a slippery term, and not, I think, to be interpreted in a literal, dictionary sense. There's TONS of slick, smart, very well done pop out there (Steely Dan, Paul Simon, Sting, The Blue Nile, Prefab Sprout, XTC, etc, etc, etc. -- the list would be HUGE) that is the product of intelligent, talented musicians and top notch studio craft. -- but it's not "progressive rock," at least not according to how I and most other long-term prog fans understand the term.
We can't just make "prog" synonymous with "better than average," "something else some prog fans like," or "good" (an even more subjective term). If we did, practically all forms of music -- blues, bluegrass, country, hip hop, soul, etc, would need to be included here with the prefix "prog" tacked on to them. I imagine there are 'bad," "average" "good" and "great" examples of all genres, but substituting the word "prog" for "good" is not valid, IMO.
It's hard to express, but I thing "prog" implies a certain degree of musical daring, "difficulty" or, well, "weirdness."
Toto sounds very average, or normal, to me -- there is no "challenge" to me there, or to radio programmers -- thus their ubiquitous presence on mainstream radio.
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I am totally agree with you!
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