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DallasBryan 
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
 Topic: Rating KrautrockPosted: September 20 2006 at 11:00 |
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 WEGMÜLLER, WALTER - Tarot SAND* - Golem ROTHER, MICHAEL - Fernwaerme ROTHER, MICHAEL - Sterntaler ROTHER, MICHAEL - Flammende Herzen ROTHER, MICHAEL - Katzenmusik POPOL VUH - In den Gärten Pharaos POPOL VUH - Hosianna Mantra POPOL VUH - Seligpreisung POPOL VUH - Letzte Tage - Letzte Nächte POPOL VUH - Das Hohelied Salomos POPOL VUH - Einsjäger & Siebenjäger NEU! - Neu! NEU! - Neu! '75 NECRONOMICON - Tips Zum Selbstmord MYTHOS - Dreamlab LIMBUS 3 & 4 - Mandalas LARD FREE - Lard Free LARD FREE - Spirale Malax LARD FREE - I'm Around About Midnight LA DÜSSELDORF - La Düsseldorf KROKODIL - Krokodil KROKODIL - An Invisible World Revealed KOLLEKTIV - Kollektiv KLUSTER - Zwei Osterei KAPUTTER HAMSTER - Kaputter Hamster GURU GURU - Globetrotter GURU GURU - Mani und seine Freunde GURU GURU - Dance of the Flames GURU GURU - Guru Guru GURU GURU - UFO GURU GURU - Kän Guru GÖTTSCHING, MANUEL - Inventions For Electric Guitar GOLOWIN, SERGIUS - Lord Krishna Von Goloka GERMAN OAK - German Oak GÄA - Auf Der Bahn Zum Uranus FAUST - Faust FAUST - Faust IV EULENSPYGEL - 2 EROC - Eroc 3 EROC - Eroc Zwei EROC - Eroc ERLKOENIG - Erlkoenig EILIFF - Girlrls DZYAN - Dzyan DZYAN - Time Machine DZYAN - Electric Silence DEUTER - d DEUTER - Aum CZUKAY, HOLGER - Movies CZUKAY, HOLGER - Rome Remains Rome CZUKAY, HOLGER - On The Way To The Peak Of Normal COSMIC JOKERS, THE - The Cosmic Jokers COSMIC JOKERS, THE - Galactic Supermarket CLUSTER - Grosses Wasser CLUSTER - Sowiesoso CLUSTER - Zuckerzeit CLUSTER - 71 CAN - Saw Delight CAN - Landed CAN - Soon Over Babaluma CAN - Future Days CAN - Ege Bamyasi CAN - Tago Mago BETWEEN - Einstieg BETWEEN - Dharana BETWEEN - And The Waters Opened ASHRA - Belle Alliance ASHRA - Correlations ASHRA - Blackouts ASHRA - New Age Of Earth ASH RA TEMPEL - Seven Up ASH RA TEMPEL - Join Inn ASH RA TEMPEL - Schwingungen ASH RA TEMPEL - Ash Ra Tempel ANNEXUS QUAM - Osmose AMON DÜÜL II - Carnival in Babylon AMON DÜÜL II - Wolf City AMON DÜÜL II - Phallus Dei AMON DÜÜL II - Yeti AMON DÜÜL II - Tanz Der Lemminge AMON DÜÜL - Paradieswärts Düül AGITATION FREE - Second AGITATION FREE - Malesch A.R. & MACHINES - A.R 3 |
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Legoman
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 11:21 |
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What I gather from all of these posts is that you don't really like music all that much.
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 20 2006 at 11:22 |
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3 stars are very good albums
ps - Dont forget that I grade stiffly using the full 1-5 star rating system.
5 being masterpiece, dont give this mark to many
4 being near masterpiece, or very good, classic sound, defining
3 being really good, some may consider classic, worthy listen
2 being good or collectors or those who really like the band, clone bands
1 being some good some fair songs, fair clone bands, not bad anything below this I dont consider worth rating
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rileydog22
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 17:58 |
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 CAN - Future Days CAN - Ege Bamyasi CAN - Tago Mago NEU! - Neu! NEU! - Neu! '75Those are all at least 4 stars, even by your system. |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:29 |
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OK Tago Mago 3.5 and Neu 75 3.5
your right!
Edited by DallasBryan - September 20 2006 at 18:40 |
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Benjamin_Breeg
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Joined: September 05 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 229 |
Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:57 |
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Necronomicon - Tips zum Selbstmord deserves at least 4 ;)
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:20 |
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Funny that two you give***** Ashra: New Age of Earth and Cluster: Zuckerzeit are not at all krautrock albums (I know they are on this site), Lard Free are french. That leaves Eroc which I haven't heard yet.
Yuu give Ash Ra Tempel's debut, Tago Mago and Yeti ***. Phallus Dei **! All are considered classics of the genre. Do you actually like krautrock? |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Zac M
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:23 |
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Zuckerzeit is the most commercial Cluster album too, and the best selling I think. FAR from the best IMO, and I have all of the classic albums up to Curiosum.
DB prefers kosmiche music to traditional krautrock I think, hence low ratins for Can and ADII, that's what I gather from his posting in the past. By the way DB, I noticed you hadn't rated Between's "Hesse Between Music." If you haven't heard it, check it out, it's definitely on of the more unique krautrock albums IMO. Edited by Zac M - September 20 2006 at 21:25 |
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty |
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 20 2006 at 22:06 |
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Kosmiche after experimental Krautrock in the early 70's is superior, IMO. Again this is mostly psychedelics music and hence Kosmiche is the vehicle under that influence. I like Krautrock as a whole but find Annexus Quams and Erocs and Dzyans best works superior to the usual noisehead stuff that many claim as the best, sounds still experimental without direction. Though AQ, E and D seemed to have focus on what they were trying to achieve and it works, IMO. Holger Czukays best work steps up the game in the early 80's, again IMO. As for Can they were trying with great musicians and many ideas to change the face of music, I think as a whole they werent able to achieve what they set out to do, I give them much credit for the effort but some was wasted.
anything 3 stars I really like, but dont necessarily consider it classic or masterpiece, maybe maximum effort? Edited by DallasBryan - September 20 2006 at 22:09 |
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 21 2006 at 10:18 |
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hope this is helpful for those looking into 70's stuff. Remember I need your help on 90's and 2000's stuff!
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 21 2006 at 11:59 |
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I am a big fan of kraut Rock and have written my fair share of reviews.
I think if you want to rate a band you should back it up in
words, you say nothing about your ratings.
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Bryan
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Posted: September 21 2006 at 13:38 |
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Agreed, especially considering how your rating system doesn't go by the site's established standards. All you're accomplishing right now is lowering the average ratings for most of those albums, which certainly won't do anything to help promote them. |
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 21 2006 at 19:12 |
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I got an idea, Ill do what I want! And then you can do what you want!
you guys are worse than my wife!
 my standard
5 being masterpiece, dont give this mark to many
4 being near masterpiece, or very good, classic sound, defining
3 being really good, some may consider classic, worthy listen
2 being good or collectors or those who really like the band, clone bands
1 being some good some fair songs, fair clone bands, not bad
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doesnt seem to be a WHOLE lot of difference, many see 500 albums as 5 star, I think of maybe 50 as worthy of this distinction. Archives 1 may equal my 0, oh well, each to his own interpretation. Edited by DallasBryan - September 22 2006 at 03:23 |
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Bilek
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:12 |
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you saved me a lot of time; mate!!! I was just trying to figure out a way to express my feelings
(I haven't heard Eroc, either... but the first couple of Grobschnitt releases are great, especailly Solar Music Live)
btw; you needen't justify yourself writing "they're on this site"... You aren't saying they're not prog at all; just not Kraut enough
... Both albums are more progressive electronic than anything, Ashra thing is there for the sake of convenience (and for most of the later stuff of the full-fledged band), and I really don't understand what the heck is Cluster looking for in Krautrock... OK, for the first two albums maybe; but the rest (I don't say bad, they're progressive electronics!)one adition: Manuel Götsching's first solo release is also a classic IMHO...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:49 |
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 10:28 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 10:39 |
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DALLUS IS A FRACKING IDIOT. READ MY kRAUTROCK REVIEWS AND YOU WILL SEE HOW UNINFORMED HE IS.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - September 23 2006 at 10:40 |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 11:08 |
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micky
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 11:16 |
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easy buddy.... Dallas has a system and is consistant with it..... if you don't like it or think along his lines....ignore them.. for those who do and look to him for advice... they are important. |
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philippe
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 11:41 |
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It's a very strange evaluation...it seems that the pioneers of this freaky space- out genre and the golden years are almost ignored in favour of a very soft grass. You forgot to mention big names as Agitation Free, The Cosmic Corridors, Paternoster, Ikarus... I'm sorry but German Oak self title is one of the most amazing stuffs I've heard in the genre...gorgeous sense of darkness and definitely propulsive. "What I gather from all of these posts is that you don't really like music all that much.": that's a very hard reproach, I can't agree. Edited by philippe - September 23 2006 at 11:49 |
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