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Chus 
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 Topic: Prog Rappers??
Posted: February 02 2007 at 19:15 |
Want to hear about singers in prog who had used the "rapping" vocal mode in prog songs... I only have 4 examples so far... Peter Gabriel on Genesis' "Battle Of Epping Forest" from SEBTP and "Broadway Melody of 1974"; Annette Peacock did some rapping on some Bruford albums (the one I heard was "Feels Good To Me") and Adrian Belew of KC on "Elephant Talk" and "The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum"
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Evans
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 19:19 |
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Well, the ending part of Marillion's "Grendel" is sorta... rap-ish?
And there's a rap part in "Roll the bones" by rush as well.
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 20:09 |
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Pain of salvation has some rapping on Be, and I heard that their song "Used" from The Perfect Element pt1 has rapping too. Their new album has rapping on "Scarsick" and pure rap on "Spitfall"
Yes' "Children of Light" has a vocal style similar to rap.
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 21:46 |
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Can we count Lou Reed as being progressive ? Mind you, comments have been made that it's simply a limited range that lends this impression ...
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 21:55 |
Oh please Battle for the Epping Forest has nothing in common with Rap, Peter adds some dialogues inside the soong, but each character has a different personality and sound, there's nothing repetitive and simple in the melody and structure as in most Rap.
And Broadway Melody 1974 is a rhythmic song but the structure has again nothing in common with Rap.
Iván
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Chris H
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 22:05 |
Elephant Talk as rap?
Nahhhh
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 00:49 |
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"Black Sunday" (Jethro Tull, A).
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verslibre
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 03:08 |
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Hmm...I don't think that qualifies as rap, either...
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 05:17 |
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Perhaps some some consensus on what constitutes "rap" in prog would be useful. Presumably it is more than just spoken word.
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 07:02 |
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Adrian Belew does a kind of avant rap on Neurotica.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 07:44 |
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Wanna be a member? by Afte rCryingcontains Bible Rap on the Show album.
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Chus
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:22 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Oh please Battle for the Epping Forest has nothing in common with Rap, Peter adds some dialogues inside the soong, but each character has a different personality and sound, there's nothing repetitive and simple in the melody and structure as in most Rap.
And Broadway Melody 1974 is a rhythmic song but the structure has again nothing in common with Rap.
Iván |
Not rap in the sense of Hip-hop, but as an unmelodic vocal mode following rhythm... also not in the sense of improvisation.. just the vocals.
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:59 |
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Neil Peart did the worst rap of all time...I don't need to mention the name of the song, I'm sure.
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And all the rest is just bullsh*t
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Yito
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 11:07 |
Rush - Roll The Bones
Dream Theater - Honor Thy Father
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Psalm 96
1 Sing to the LORD a new song;
sing to the LORD, all the earth.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:31 |
Chus wrote:
Not rap in the sense of Hip-hop, but as an unmelodic vocal mode following rhythm... also not in the sense of improvisation.. just the vocals. |
Then the question should go in the contrary way.
Rap is a sub-specie of unmelodical vocals following music,for example Spanish poets read García Lorca poems following a Flamenco guitar player decades before Rap or even Rock and did this with other poets almost a century before Rap.
The Medieval trouvadores narrated stories backgrounded by music played with flute and lute and that's not remotely related with Rap.
Gabriel or Bellew follow a complex melody simply they narrate instead of singing, in the case of Rap, the vocalist (????) follows a rhytmic pattern composed mainly of two or at the most three chords repeated ad nauseam, it's a totally different thing.
Iván
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Chus
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:38 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Chus wrote:
Not rap in the sense of Hip-hop, but as an unmelodic vocal mode following rhythm... also not in the sense of improvisation.. just the vocals. |
Then the question should go in the contrary way.
Rap is a sub-specie of unmelodical vocals following music,for example Spanish poets read García Lorca poems following a Flamenco guitar player decades before Rap or even Rock and did this with other poets almost a century before Rap.
The Medieval trouvadores narrated stories backgrounded by music played with flute and lute and that's not remotely related with Rap.
Gabriel or Bellew follow a complex melody simply they narrate instead of singing, in the case of Rap, the vocalist (????) follows a rhytmic pattern composed mainly of two or at the most three chords repeated ad nauseam, it's a totally different thing.
Iván |
Perhaps should had said "rap-ish" to avoid confusion with hip-hop or protest music; but you get my point
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:44 |
"Now listen to me you ungrateful fool, here's a dose of reality"
Honor Thy Father, one of the great blunders in the Dream Theater discography
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Chus
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:45 |
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^^^was that on Octavarium?
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:13 |
Chus wrote:
^^^was that on Octavarium? |
Train of Thought
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andYouandI45
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:13 |
Reading peotry/lyrics isn't rap. The actual do stuff. Still rappers dont write any of the stuff. none of the lyrics or the bland music.
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