Prog Rappers??
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Topic: Prog Rappers??
Posted By: Chus
Subject: Prog Rappers??
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 19:15
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Want to hear about singers in prog who had used the "rapping" vocal mode in prog songs... I only have 4 examples so far... Peter Gabriel on Genesis' "Battle Of Epping Forest" from SEBTP and "Broadway Melody of 1974"; Annette Peacock did some rapping on some Bruford albums (the one I heard was "Feels Good To Me") and Adrian Belew of KC on "Elephant Talk" and "The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum" ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 19:19
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Well, the ending part of Marillion's "Grendel" is sorta... rap-ish? And there's a rap part in "Roll the bones" by rush as well. ------------- 
'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 20:09
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Pain of salvation has some rapping on Be, and I heard that their song "Used" from The Perfect Element pt1 has rapping too. Their new album has rapping on "Scarsick" and pure rap on "Spitfall" Yes' "Children of Light" has a vocal style similar to rap. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 21:46
| Can we count Lou Reed as being progressive ? Mind you, comments have been made that it's simply a limited range that lends this impression ... |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 21:55
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Oh please Battle for the Epping Forest has nothing in common with Rap, Peter adds some dialogues inside the soong, but each character has a different personality and sound, there's nothing repetitive and simple in the melody and structure as in most Rap.
And Broadway Melody 1974 is a rhythmic song but the structure has again nothing in common with Rap.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 22:05
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Elephant Talk as rap?
Nahhhh ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 00:49
| "Black Sunday" (Jethro Tull, A). |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 03:08
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Hmm...I don't think that qualifies as rap, either...
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 05:17
| Perhaps some some consensus on what constitutes "rap" in prog would be useful. Presumably it is more than just spoken word. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 07:02
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Adrian Belew does a kind of avant rap on Neurotica. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 07:44
| Wanna be a member? by Afte rCryingcontains Bible Rap on the Show album. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:22
Not rap in the sense of Hip-hop, but as an unmelodic vocal mode following rhythm... also not in the sense of improvisation.. just the vocals. ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:59
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Neil Peart did the worst rap of all time...I don't need to mention the name of the song, I'm sure. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: Yito
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 11:07
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Rush - Roll The Bones
Dream Theater - Honor Thy Father
------------- Psalm 96 1 Sing to the LORD a new song; sing to the LORD, all the earth. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:31
Then the question should go in the contrary way.
Rap is a sub-specie of unmelodical vocals following music,for example Spanish poets read García Lorca poems following a Flamenco guitar player decades before Rap or even Rock and did this with other poets almost a century before Rap.
The Medieval trouvadores narrated stories backgrounded by music played with flute and lute and that's not remotely related with Rap.
Gabriel or Bellew follow a complex melody simply they narrate instead of singing, in the case of Rap, the vocalist (????) follows a rhytmic pattern composed mainly of two or at the most three chords repeated ad nauseam, it's a totally different thing.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:38
Perhaps should had said "rap-ish" to avoid confusion with hip-hop or protest music; but you get my point ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:44
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"Now listen to me you ungrateful fool, here's a dose of reality" Honor Thy Father, one of the great blunders in the Dream Theater discography -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:45
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^^^was that on Octavarium? ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:13
Train of Thought
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Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:13
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Reading peotry/lyrics isn't rap. The actual do stuff. Still rappers dont write any of the stuff. none of the lyrics or the bland music. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:25
Avant rap jajajajaja good one ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:33
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First track on Peter Gabriel's "OVO". Pure rap. Peter's experiments reached too far. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 16:02
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Emerson Lake and Palmer "Bitches Crystal" Queen "Stone Cold Crazy" Deep Purple "Bloodsucker" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 16:35
Even though it's credited to Peter Gabriel, OVO is a special WORLD compilation to celebrate the Millenium, his participation as singer is minimum.
Being a WORLD celebration, (C) rap had to be included doesn't matter how much we or even Gabriel dislikes it.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 17:26
I totally agree! Nothing in those songs has the slightest similarity to rap, IMO.
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 17:36
Not perhaps in essence or content but there are similarities in the pure formal sense... the thumping rhythm and the unmelodic vocals following the rhythm.. not just reciting ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Soupykan
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:40
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An argument could be made for Dumb All Over by Frank Zappa. ------------- She ruled the toads of the short forest And every Newt in Idaho.... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 03:59
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Dude! Jon Anderson invented rap on Close to the Edge! I swear!
closetotheedge, downbyariverCLOSEtotheedge, downroundthecorner ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 06:28
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Amon Düül II - Castaneda Da Dream.
But Debbie Harry does it better on Rapture
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Posted By: Gatot
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 07:55
I fully agree with you, Ivan. Which part actually in The Battle of Epping Forest can be considered as rap? When Peter says "kuru every week"? Not really. It's kind of dialogue.
In Broadway Melody - where? When he is murmuring something like "Klu Klux Clan ...."? It's not rap.
Cheers,
Gatot
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Posted By: Tiresias
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 11:15
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If you want to expand the genre a bit to rappers who are progressive, you'll find artists like Saul Williams. He's a "thinking man's" rap artist. He's also performed with the Mars Volta (excellent show) ------------- Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn... 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 11:15
? what rappers don't write their words? ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |