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Kleynan 
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 09:38 |
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She should be added. Her latest album "Ys" is clearly prog folk. It only contains 5 songs, most of which are ten minutes in length. (One is even 17 minutes) Plus the music is pretty experimental and it has an avant-garde feel to it. If she isn't prog, then I don't know what is.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 09:43 |
 Kleynan wrote:
She should be added. Her latest album "Ys" is clearly
prog folk. It only contains 5 songs, most of which are ten minutes in
length. (One is even 17 minutes) Plus the music is pretty experimental
and it has an avant-garde feel to it. If she isn't prog, then I don't
know what is. |
the head of the Folk-Prog team is looking at her.. he knows Folk-Prog so I know I'd accept his judgement either way
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Kleynan
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 09:48 |
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Nice. I mean, she plays the harp for gods sake! :D
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 09:49 |
Kleynan wrote:
Nice. I mean, she plays the harp for gods sake :D |
So does Laura McKennitt 
Doesn't make her prog!! 
I hope to get this album over the WE (but with our library system...., but I heard her first (debut) and I was not really impressed.
But I must say that I have yet to hear someone who hasn't liked her second album.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 10:03 |
There's a big discussion about Ms Newsom here
I'm not really sure about her prog credentials. Playing a harp and long songs doth not a prog artist make (neccessarily). I'm sure Hugues will soon have an opinion.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 10:07 |
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yes this thread at the very least is in the wrong area.. I'm sure our helpful admin team will move it.
Hugues- the differences between the first and second are quite striking.. not just in her voice.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 10:10 |
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I moved it to the Suggest New Bands section, as the thread Chopper mentioned is in Non-Prog Music. If you are talking about her as a possible addition to the DB, that's the right place for it.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 11:11 |
chopper wrote:
I'm not really sure about her prog credentials. Playing a harp and long songs doth not a prog artist make (neccessarily). I'm sure Hugues will soon have an opinion. |
Agreed. "Ys" is my favorite album of 2006, but I'm not sure I would call it prog. That said, it's up to Hugues to decide.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 11:17 |
chopper wrote:
Playing a harp and long songs doth not a prog artist make (neccessarily). |
sure - but then again she does not just play the harp and make long songs. 
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 11:27 |
hahahha... the hand of Hugues will surely decide this... it sounds
so to me.. and not so to oters. That's why we have teams I
guess hahahhaha.
and those are not ...simply long song 
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 11:35 |
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 13:16 |
She should be added but i dont care if she isnt. i'll still love her music
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 15:16 |
I feel sorry for her already. 
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 15:24 |
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It's just a very different style ... I don't think that it's particularly useful to call it "prog".
"Experimental Independent", that's my favorite label for artists like her.
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 16:08 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
It's just a very different style ... I don't think that it's particularly useful to call it "prog".
"Experimental Independent", that's my favorite label for artists like her.
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exactly.. I know more than a few people who'd scoff at the notion
todays 'prog metal' being anything akin to progressive. ie
prog. it might have been nearly what 15 years ago..
whether those people are right or not... look at some
definitioins of prog out there. Ms. Joanna has a much in commen
with prog as ..some of the stuff seen reviewed under the banner
of prog metal. At least that's what some people might say
anyway if a person is going to argue that prog didn't die
in 1979 and continues to this day.. they should get with the program
and realize that music changes ..expands and ...progresses.
and the notion of prog changes as well. Unless we want to open
Regressive prog achives..where we get to hear the same stylistic
rehashings today of King Crimson, Genesis or Yes. My two cents.
the second part that is
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 05:52 |
chopper wrote:
There's a big discussion about Ms Newsom here
I'm not really sure about her prog credentials. Playing a harp and long songs doth not a prog artist make (neccessarily). I'm sure Hugues will soon have an opinion. |
Ok, I listened to her second album for two weeks now! I thought her first was not prog!
This second album is much and I liked it better although I still have an issue with her voice (she sounds like a chinese traditional singer). Her music is definitely more interesting (in the folk /ancient music vein and she got much closer to Canadian girl Loreena McKennitt with this second album), but I found little to make her presence on this site justified (even as prog-related).
Definitely not rock, her music is not that complex (although I'd kill to play like her) and the length of some of those tracks actually work a bit against her, really!! and I did not really find a concept, although I must say I didn't care to look at the lyrics that close.
Overall I'd give Ys  on a non-prog scale.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 08:07 |
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Possible good adition, but only after Alan Stivell and Happy Rhodes.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 08:29 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Ok, I listened to her second album for two weeks now! I thought her first was not prog!
This second album is much and I liked it better although I still have an issue with her voice (she sounds like a chinese traditional singer). Her music is definitely more interesting (in the folk /ancient music vein and she got much closer to Canadian girl Loreena McKennitt with this second album), but I found little to make her presence on this site justified (even as prog-related).
Definitely not rock, her music is not that complex (although I'd kill to play like her) and the length of some of those tracks actually work a bit against her, really!! and I did not really find a concept, although I must say I didn't care to look at the lyrics that close.
Overall I'd give Ys on a non-prog scale. |
Your issue with her voice is irrelevant, of course.
I'd say her version of prog-folk is more complex than most. Come on, simple stuff like; Trader Horne, Forest, Tudor Lodge, Fuchsia, Ramases, Horslips, Stackridge, Mushroom, Strawbs... Like most of them and pleased that they are here. Surely she's got a lot more progressive and experimental approach to folk than all these? Is it the sound that's wrong? Her lyrics are exceptional.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 09:14 |
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^ it's not really Folk. I'd rather call it "Independent" ... she's using acoustic instruments only, that's about the only connection to Folk that I can see.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 09:16 |
hey, Bern likes this girl, why not ask him?
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