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    Posted: June 03 2007 at 04:57
Difficult to talk about a so underground sub genre that for a lot it doesn't exist.


Its definition would be able to be this: 
The AOP PROG is born from the requirement heard from some bands/ artists of to broaden the audience of the Progressive departing from a POP base and transforming this music in a something of Progressive. The difference with respect to the PROG RELATED it goes researched in the total search for a music catchy and radiophonic, without to forget the typical elements of the Prog. Even though like amolte inclusive band in the category PROG RELATED the bands/ artists AOP PROG don't want to transfer the Prog in the contemporary music or that is of fashion but they want to they transfer the Prog in the Classic Rock, without to distort the soncept of Symphonic, Fusion or Jazz music.

Unfortunately I am not very capable with the definitions. 

At any case to all today I found these bands/ artists to include in the list of AOP PROG (P.s.: The list is in updating like every sub genre list of PA!!!) :

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Roger Waters
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi


I have to immediately to say that it isn't my intention to promote the birth of the AOP PROG but simply to propose a thread where to be able to discuss of these bands/ artists that generally they haven't a right promotion to the inside of PA (Also because not all they are included in PA!!!). 

Other fundamental thing:  I would want that this thread not pits moved hence (for motive mine that don't to I say). 


You participate numerous...  Because did I note the promotion of a lot bands/ artists in a lot of cases it doesn't come carried out and this ruin the main purpose of PA!!! 


Edited by Mandrakeroot - June 04 2007 at 16:15
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First Implement:

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Roger Waters
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi
- Styx
- Carlotto & Cucciolo Già Dik Dik/ Cucciolo Già Dik Dik


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A lot of these bands could, at their formation, been classified as Progressive Rock bands who, in time, went more mainstream art rock.
 
Let's see,
 
Supertramp, Alan Parsons Project, ELO, Chaicago, Roxy Music, Manfred Mann's Earth Band.
 
Manfred Mann, for example, has taken his Earth Band through practically every genre from pop, jazz fusion, symphonic and straight rock. No wonder these bands are difficult to classify!
 
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Well Mandrakeroot, back to the endless categories discussion: in my opinion bands like Roxy Music, 10CC, Queen and Supertramp are Art-rock and bands like ELO and Alan Parsson Project Progressive Pop. Manfred Mann's Earth Band blended pop, rock, blues and symphonic so I prefer Eclectic Prog, that's my post Wink !
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What's your point with all of this Mandy??
 
 
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- David Bowie
- John Cale
- kate Bush
- Phil Manzanera
- Brian Eno
- Heart
- Tom Petty
- Todd Rundgren
- Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler
- Clapton
- Page & Plant
 
I must add that I have always disliked the term AOR, not that I have no wish to grow-up Wink, but because I think it is exclusive, impling that there is an age-restriction on the fan-base.
 
The other problem I have with the term is that it does not define a distinct genre that classifies the bands as producing related music, but is merely a collection of bands that apparently have mainstream appeal to older listeners.

 
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Magnum anyone? I havn't read so much reviews about it

 "Princess Alice and the broken arrow" Smile
 
IMO it's a fantastic album, I've bought the LTD edition with the bonus DVD Wink
 
Any thoughts about this album?
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i don't know why ROGER WATERS is on this list!!!!!!!
 
I don't see anything AOR in ''the pros and cons of hitch hiking''or ''ATD''. i mean, there is no ''come sail away'' on those albums!!!
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I never got it clear, maybe the readers of this thread can clarify something for me: does AOR stand for Adult Oriented Rock, or Album Oriented Rock? A magazine I used to read always used the former, on the web I also found the latter.

Andrea: In relation to the above - could you come up with a definition that explains AOR, rather than telling how it is nog Prog-Related? I'm confused...
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^^ Where is Teaflax when you need him.
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Hey, in the list above I didn't find JOURNEY... And let's remember that the first 2 albuns of them have clear Prog elements...Thumbs%20Up
With the entrance of vocalist Steve Perry the band gone in direction of stadium rock sound, but we can listen here and there some refined tunes like in the songs 'Patiently', 'Winds of March', 'Daydream', 'Mother, Father', 'Troubled Child' and the almost 'YES' like 'People and Places' (from the album 'Departure').
I always asked myself, if in the PA we have KANSAS and STYX, bands that began their career in the Prog veins and then became Arena Rock bands, why isn't JOURNEY here too, if they made shows together, to the same audience and had a similar beggining?
I think the AOR or Arena Rock can be created like a subgenre to Prog Rock in the Prog Archives... Haven't we here Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands that don't have much things to do with prog, like DEEP PURPLE or URIAH HEEP?
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

I never got it clear, maybe the readers of this thread can clarify something for me: does AOR stand for Adult Oriented Rock, or Album Oriented Rock? A magazine I used to read always used the former, on the web I also found the latter.

Andrea: In relation to the above - could you come up with a definition that explains AOR, rather than telling how it is nog Prog-Related? I'm confused...
 
I have always understood it to mean Adult Oriented Rock. Many of the artists listed were just as much Singles oriented as they were Album and very few could fill an Arena Big%20smile
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For all: see Dargdean post. He hit the center of the objective of this category (not genre). But also Erik Neuteboom hit the center of the objective.  In fact, I repeat, the artists of this category do not leave the starting sub genre but, If we want, they produce mainstream Prog. 

Correctly we could use the abbreviation AOP "Adult Oriented Prog"! 

For Angelo: It is not easy to give a definition of this category because has little defined boundaries.  With the abbreviation AOR I understand "Adult Oriented Rock".

For Dargdean: Interesting list but I should do two specifications: 1) John Cale is a Fluxus artists and not AOR Prog (or AOP). 2) Brian Eno for me is only one of the best Electronic Prog artist!!! For the other I should verify better because I am trying to do a list of artists to include in this category that it is the more entire. 

But remember: with this name I understand a category and not a sub genre.

It believe to have explained my position on this category.  The bands/ artists that do part of this category, therefore, belong to different sub genre.


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For Herbie53: Yes... I forgot the Journey...  But only because I don't know to their sufficiency first 2 albums.  But I remedy immediately.

The new list:

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi
- Styx
- Carlotto & Cucciolo Già Dik Dik/ Cucciolo Già Dik Dik
- David Bowie
- kate Bush
- Phil Manzanera
- Heart
- Tom Petty
- Todd Rundgren
- Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler
- Eric Clapton (with derek And The Dominos)
- Page & Plant
- Journey

I have removed Roger Waters from the list and join together other bands/artists.


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Originally posted by CrazyDiamond CrazyDiamond wrote:

Magnum anyone? I havn't read so much reviews about it

 "Princess Alice and the broken arrow" Smile
 
IMO it's a fantastic album, I've bought the LTD edition with the bonus DVD Wink
 
Any thoughts about this album?


Unfortunately of the Magnum I have only "Vintage Magnum", a very good compilation. But if the Magnum is clear AOR, or better Class Metal (that is another category ambiguous like this) I consider them, for origin and period of publication of the fundamental album, a band NWOBHM.
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Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler do not  belong on that list, neither do Eric Clapton with Derek and the Dominoes nor Page & Plant IMO. They are blues/folk/country based rock, I don't see any link between them and other artists on the list.
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Hmm. Adult Oriented Rock is fine with me. If it would be AOP, I guess the list would have to be trimmed.

Anyway, if this is the direction, at the verge of creating a fight: would Survivor (with the exception of the Rocky materials maybe) quality as AOR?
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Since this thread covers a wide range of bandssome of  whom are not listed on the site (and unlikely to be), and others who are proto prog or prog related, I think it sits best in the non-prog section.

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Originally posted by Kid-A Kid-A wrote:

Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler do not  belong on that list, neither do Eric Clapton with Derek and the Dominoes nor Page & Plant IMO. They are blues/folk/country based rock, I don't see any link between them and other artists on the list.
 
Ah, hitting the nail on the head time.Clap The whole issue with AOR is that they are not linked by Artist, Genre or Musical style - they are linked by percieved target Audience. It's another form of Dad-Rock. Unhappy
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Since this thread covers a wide range of bandssome of  whom are not listed on the site (and unlikely to be), and others who are proto prog or prog related, I think it sits best in the non-prog section.


Unfortunately I should admit that a lot of band will not enter ever in PA.  Nevertheless, even if I would prefer to see a section for the thread like this, to the end it is just it here. 
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