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Topic: The AOP Prog (Official thread)

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: The AOP Prog (Official thread)
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 04:57

Difficult to talk about a so underground sub genre that for a lot it doesn't exist.

Its definition would be able to be this:

The AOP PROG is born from the requirement heard from some bands/ artists of to broaden the audience of the Progressive departing from a POP base and transforming this music in a something of Progressive. The difference with respect to the PROG RELATED it goes researched in the total search for a music catchy and radiophonic, without to forget the typical elements of the Prog. Even though like amolte inclusive band in the category PROG RELATED the bands/ artists AOP PROG don't want to transfer the Prog in the contemporary music or that is of fashion but they want to they transfer the Prog in the Classic Rock, without to distort the soncept of Symphonic, Fusion or Jazz music.

Unfortunately I am not very capable with the definitions.

At any case to all today I found these bands/ artists to include in the list of AOP PROG (P.s.: The list is in updating like every sub genre list of PA!!!) :

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Roger Waters
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi

I have to immediately to say that it isn't my intention to promote the birth of the AOP PROG but simply to propose a thread where to be able to discuss of these bands/ artists that generally they haven't a right promotion to the inside of PA (Also because not all they are included in PA!!!).

Other fundamental thing: I would want that this thread not pits moved hence (for motive mine that don't to I say).

You participate numerous... Because did I note the promotion of a lot bands/ artists in a lot of cases it doesn't come carried out and this ruin the main purpose of PA!!!

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 05:16

First Implement:

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Roger Waters
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi
- Styx
- Carlotto & Cucciolo Già Dik Dik/ Cucciolo Già Dik Dik

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Posted By: demolition man
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 06:04

A lot of these bands could, at their formation, been classified as Progressive Rock bands who, in time, went more mainstream art rock.

Let's see,

Supertramp, Alan Parsons Project, ELO, Chaicago, Roxy Music, Manfred Mann's Earth Band.

Manfred Mann, for example, has taken his Earth Band through practically every genre from pop, jazz fusion, symphonic and straight rock. No wonder these bands are difficult to classify!

Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 06:08

Well Mandrakeroot, back to the endless categories discussion: in my opinion bands like Roxy Music, 10CC, Queen and Supertramp are Art-rock and bands like ELO and Alan Parsson Project Progressive Pop. Manfred Mann's Earth Band blended pop, rock, blues and symphonic so I prefer Eclectic Prog, that's my post

Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 06:16

What's your point with all of this Mandy??

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 06:34

- David Bowie

- John Cale

- kate Bush

- Phil Manzanera

- Brian Eno

- Heart

- Tom Petty

- Todd Rundgren

- Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler

- Clapton

- Page & Plant

I must add that I have always disliked the term AOR, not that I have no wish to grow-up

, but because I think it is exclusive, impling that there is an age-restriction on the fan-base.

The other problem I have with the term is that it does not define a distinct genre that classifies the bands as producing related music, but is merely a collection of bands that apparently have mainstream appeal to older listeners.

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What?

Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 07:08

Magnum anyone? I havn't read so much reviews about it

"Princess Alice and the broken arrow"

IMO it's a fantastic album, I've bought the LTD edition with the bonus DVD

Any thoughts about this album?

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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 07:45

i don't know why ROGER WATERS is on this list!!!!!!!

I don't see anything AOR in ''the pros and cons of hitch hiking''or ''ATD''. i mean, there is no ''come sail away'' on those albums!!!

Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 08:19

I never got it clear, maybe the readers of this thread can clarify something for me: does AOR stand for Adult Oriented Rock, or Album Oriented Rock? A magazine I used to read always used the former, on the web I also found the latter.

Andrea: In relation to the above - could you come up with a definition that explains AOR, rather than telling how it is nog Prog-Related? I'm confused...

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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 09:24

^^ Where is Teaflax when you need him.

Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 10:07

Hey, in the list above I didn't find JOURNEY... And let's remember that the first 2 albuns of them have clear Prog elements...

With the entrance of vocalist Steve Perry the band gone in direction of stadium rock sound, but we can listen here and there some refined tunes like in the songs 'Patiently', 'Winds of March', 'Daydream', 'Mother, Father', 'Troubled Child' and the almost 'YES' like 'People and Places' (from the album 'Departure').

I always asked myself, if in the PA we have KANSAS and STYX, bands that began their career in the Prog veins and then became Arena Rock bands, why isn't JOURNEY here too, if they made shows together, to the same audience and had a similar beggining?

I think the AOR or Arena Rock can be created like a subgenre to Prog Rock in the Prog Archives... Haven't we here Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands that don't have much things to do with prog, like DEEP PURPLE or URIAH HEEP?

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 10:11

Angelo wrote:

I never got it clear, maybe the readers of this thread can clarify something for me: does AOR stand for Adult Oriented Rock, or Album Oriented Rock? A magazine I used to read always used the former, on the web I also found the latter.

Andrea: In relation to the above - could you come up with a definition that explains AOR, rather than telling how it is nog Prog-Related? I'm confused...

I have always understood it to mean Adult Oriented Rock. Many of the artists listed were just as much Singles oriented as they were Album and very few could fill an Arena

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What?

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 10:37

For all: see Dargdean post. He hit the center of the objective of this category (not genre). But also Erik Neuteboom hit the center of the objective. In fact, I repeat, the artists of this category do not leave the starting sub genre but, If we want, they produce mainstream Prog.

Correctly we could use the abbreviation AOP "Adult Oriented Prog"!

For Angelo: It is not easy to give a definition of this category because has little defined boundaries. With the abbreviation AOR I understand "Adult Oriented Rock".

For Dargdean: Interesting list but I should do two specifications: 1) John Cale is a Fluxus artists and not AOR Prog (or AOP). 2) Brian Eno for me is only one of the best Electronic Prog artist!!! For the other I should verify better because I am trying to do a list of artists to include in this category that it is the more entire.

But remember: with this name I understand a category and not a sub genre.

It believe to have explained my position on this category. The bands/ artists that do part of this category, therefore, belong to different sub genre.

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 10:44

For Herbie53: Yes... I forgot the Journey... But only because I don't know to their sufficiency first 2 albums. But I remedy immediately.

The new list:

- Supertramp
- Jefferson Starship
- GTR
- Asia
- The Alan Parsons Project
- The Alan Parsons Band
- Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Electric Light Orchestra (with Part 2)
- Chicago
- Mauro Pagani
- Franco Mussida
- Roxy Music
- Bryan ferry
- Rick Wakeman
- Ivano Fossati
- 10 CC
- Ainur
- Queen
- Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T-Rex
- Eugenio Finardi
- Styx
- Carlotto & Cucciolo Già Dik Dik/ Cucciolo Già Dik Dik

- David Bowie

- kate Bush

- Phil Manzanera

- Heart

- Tom Petty

- Todd Rundgren

- Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler

- Eric Clapton (with derek And The Dominos)

- Page & Plant
- Journey

I have removed Roger Waters from the list and join together other bands/artists.

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 11:00

CrazyDiamond wrote:

Magnum anyone? I havn't read so much reviews about it

"Princess Alice and the broken arrow"

IMO it's a fantastic album, I've bought the LTD edition with the bonus DVD

Any thoughts about this album?

Unfortunately of the Magnum I have only "Vintage Magnum", a very good compilation. But if the Magnum is clear AOR, or better Class Metal (that is another category ambiguous like this) I consider them, for origin and period of publication of the fundamental album, a band NWOBHM.

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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 11:27

Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler do not belong on that list, neither do Eric Clapton with Derek and the Dominoes nor Page & Plant IMO. They are blues/folk/country based rock, I don't see any link between them and other artists on the list.

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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 11:28

Hmm. Adult Oriented Rock is fine with me. If it would be AOP, I guess the list would have to be trimmed.

Anyway, if this is the direction, at the verge of creating a fight: would Survivor (with the exception of the Rocky materials maybe) quality as AOR?

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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 11:36

Since this thread covers a wide range of bandssome of whom are not listed on the site (and unlikely to be), and others who are proto prog or prog related, I think it sits best in the non-prog section.

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 11:42

Kid-A wrote:

Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler do not belong on that list, neither do Eric Clapton with Derek and the Dominoes nor Page & Plant IMO. They are blues/folk/country based rock, I don't see any link between them and other artists on the list.

Ah, hitting the nail on the head time.

The whole issue with AOR is that they are not linked by Artist, Genre or Musical style - they are linked by percieved target Audience. It's another form of Dad-Rock.

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What?

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 14:50

Easy Livin wrote:

Since this thread covers a wide range of bandssome of whom are not listed on the site (and unlikely to be), and others who are proto prog or prog related, I think it sits best in the non-prog section.

Unfortunately I should admit that a lot of band will not enter ever in PA. Nevertheless, even if I would prefer to see a section for the thread like this, to the end it is just it here.

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 15:00

darqdean wrote:

Ah, hitting the nail on the head time.

The whole issue with AOR is that they are not linked by Artist, Genre or Musical style - they are linked by percieved target Audience. It's another form of Dad-Rock.

Exact. Nevertheless I should say that the Dire Straits are also a band Prog (and I say it because them I listened to really a lot and I am returning to listen to them).

Eric Clapton produced excellent album that can be sorted POP Blues but have also elements really Prog (even if go researched a lot attentive).

Page & Plant... Sincerely already the Led Zeppelin from 1975 in then could do part of this category. Because already the definition of the genre proposed Blues/ Folk/ Country based Rock is a shape of Fusion!!!

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 15:54

One of the most beautiful album of 80's (and live album) is this:

http://funkysouls.com/img/DireStraitsAlchemyLive.jpg

Other two CD for your collection are:

TYRANNOSAURUS REX/ T-REX:
Tyrannosaurus Rex: "BBC 1 Live In Concert" (Windsong International/ BBC WINCD 032 [1993])
T-Rex: "The Collection" (Castle Communication PLC CCSCD 136 [1986])

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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 03 2007 at 16:09

Queen AOR? Wacko

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 07:56

Philéas wrote:

Queen AOR? Wacko

For me yes!!! Remember, not AOR but AOP ("Adult Oriented Prog") or Mainstream Prog!!!

Another my recommendations:

../artist.asp?id=2633 -

VARIOUS ARTISTS (LABEL SAMPLERS)

T-Rex & Roxy Music

(DVD/Video, 2005)
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Track Listings

T-REX:
1. Jeepster (3:44)
2. Life's A Gas (2:59)
3. Ride A White Swan (2:34)
4. Jewel (5:16)
5. Twentieth Century Boy (4:16)

ROXY MUSIC:
1. Do The Strand (4:04)
2. Editions Of You (3:54)
3. In Every Dream Home A Heartache (8:04)
4. Remake Remodel (6:19)
5. Virginia Plain (3:59)
6. All I Want Is You (2:23)

Line-up/Musicians

T-Rex:
- Marc Bolan / vocals, electric guitar (Les Paul & Stratocaster), Basque tambourine
- Micky Finn / congas, Basque tambourine
- Steve Currie / bass
- Will Legend / drums

Roxy Music:
- Bryan Ferry / vocals, electric piano, electric guitar
- Brian Eno: Keyboards, synth, tapes, Basque tambourine, back vocals (1-5)
- Andy Mc Cay: sax, maracas, oboe, back vocals
- John Porter / bass (1-5)
- Phil Manzanera / electric guitar, back vocals
- Paul Thompson / drums
- Eddie Jobson / keyboards (6)
- John Gustafson / bass

Releases information

D.V: MORE RECORD (DVD 1026) 2005

T-Rex: tracks 1-4: Musical Video// 5: from "Musiklanden (live)"
Roxy Music: All tracks from "Musiklanden (live)"

Review by ../Collaborators.asp?id=7121 - Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador)
COLLABORATOR Italian Prog Specialist

5%20stars My review is produced using this release: D.V. MORE RECORD DVD 1026

My Rating for music: 9/10+ 8/10 PA Rating for music: 5/5+ 4/5; My Rating for images: 9/10+ 9,5/10 PA Rating for images: 5/5+ 5/5 (total: My Rating:9/10 PA Rating: 5/5)

For various motive I love is the T-Rex (and Tyrannosaurus Rex) that the Roxy Music. In this case this is a real gem DVD!!! The T-Rex is a Boogie/ Prog Related/ Glam Rock band. This is the band of Marc Bolan, one of the best guitarist of England and of the World tragically and prematurely died in the september1977, is one of the best 70's band. The selection of the songs that appears in this DVD is very exciting. Four musical video, very psychedelic but really attractive and present. The spirit of T-Rex is really a lot quite captured. Even if we think that it is the last version of the T-Rex, what besides the duo Marc Bolan and Micky Finn saw at it work the bass player Steve Currie and the drummer Will Legend. In any case this is a selection of Boogie/ Prog Related song with a very Boogie atmospheres. The last song ("Twentieth Century Boy") is from the show of the German broadcasting "Musiklanden" but the renewals linger too to Marc Bolan. Us not ever it had paid attention but... The music of Roxy Music is very similar to the music of T-Rex if not pits that is lacking the Boogie component, replaced from the component "Dandy" of Mr. Bryan Ferry. All the songs are from "Musiklanden" and the first five oad the public like never. Mr. Ferry and companions transform the television transmission in a concert where the public incites to surpass itself. Brian Eno shows to play like a child with the synths, Andy McCay plays with the sax like little, Manzanera is a monster, Paul Thompson is a car from wa, John Porter is always precise and Mr. Ferry is a very good animal. "All I Want Is You" with Eddie Jobson and John Gustafson hasn't the same magic. I should say that the producer was very capable because succeeded to pick the atmosphere that is created thick change shotslLike pits a film.

In conclusion this is a very good split DVD, also is a very budget DVD. I repeat, I love both bands but the bands were taken again in their better moments, when they excited really. For all of these reasons this is a very masterpiece for the 70's Prog and Prog Related world. And today is a really gem. Extremely recommended.

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ROXY MUSIC

More Than This, The Best Of Bryan Ferry + Roxy Music

(Boxset/Compilation, 1995)
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Track Listings

1. Virginia Plan (2:56)
2. A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (4:15)
3. Street Life (3:29)
4. These Foolish things (4:49)
5. Love Is The Drug (4:07)
6. Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (2:53)
7. Dance Away (3:44)
8. Let's Stick Together (2:59)
9. Angel Eyes (2:51)
10. Slave To Love (4:17)
11. Oh Yeah (4:36)
12. Don't Stop The Dance (4:20)
13. Same Old Scene (3:58)
14. Is Your Love Strong Enough? (4:56)
15. Jealous Guy (4:56)
16. Kiss And Tell (3:59)
17. More Than This (4:10)
18. I Put A Spell On You (3:54)
19. Avalon (4:16)
20. You Painted Smile (3:13)

Total Time: 78:38

Line-up/Musicians

- Roxy Music / songs: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 & 19
- Bryan Ferry / songs: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 & 20

Releases information

MC: Virgin (cassette code 243 8 40951 4 7) (1995)

Review by ../Collaborators.asp?id=7121 - Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador)
COLLABORATOR Italian Prog Specialist

3%20stars My review is produced using this release: Virgin (cassette code 243 8 40951 4 7)

My Rating:6/10 PA Rating:3/5

Not bad. This is, however, a compilation without a true soul. Good for the fans of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry (and for the AOR Prog lovers) but for the others... 1 hour of good music... And not all!!! For me is a good compilation with, in general, good songs. In fact "Virginia Plain", "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall", "Love Is The Drug", "Slave To Love", "Oh Yea", "Can't Stop The Dance", "Is Your Love Strong Enough", "Jealous Guy", "More Than This", "I Put A Spell On You", "Avalon" and "Painted Smile" are a very good examples of what I call AOR Prog, even if some songs are almost Dance Music. On average is one good compilation, compiled with criterion, that one very willingly listens. But not at all more.

Good compilation with good songs. Not a masterpiece compilation but very interesting. Not all of the songs are aged well. But in general is another album for our collection.

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 10:31

Chicago after Chicago VII.

AOR also the abbreviation for average old rock........................ middle of the road, safe to the majority of listeners, music.

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 16:14

Dick Heath wrote:

Chicago after Chicago VII.

AOR also the abbreviation for average old rock........................ middle of the road, safe to the majority of listeners, music.

Well... AOR has too meant... So I changed the name of the category in AOP Prog (Adult Oriented Prog) but I maintained the second Prog. Grammatically it is not correct... But is' ot the case of to object!!!

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 06:14

New list of AOP Prog bands/ artists:

- David Bowie

- kate Bush

- Phil Manzanera

- Heart

- Tom Petty

- Todd Rundgren

- Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler

- Eric Clapton (with derek And The Dominos)

- Page & Plant
- Journey
- Jon & Vangelis

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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: November 30 2007 at 22:40

In tha list there are a mix of AOR And prog related.