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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66802 |
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I assume that there is a list of artists that have been officially rejected by M@x or the admins on the special collaborator site. Is there any chance of that being a part of the main archives? Kind of a "we have deemed these bands to not be prog enough for our site and if they would like to be on here then their next album should be prog or else!!!"
If such a list were readily available it might reduce such crazy threads such as the current Phil Collins one that I masochistically volunteered to propose. Although personally I have no problem with Phil Collins inclusion as prog-related specifically because of his ties with Genesis and not his music, I know that this is as about as popular as George W. Bush being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Thus such an area of the site might reduce these crazy threads.
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Ghandi 2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
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It would cut down on inane suggestions (Ivan says that he has had ABBA requests...)
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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We don't have a list of rejected artists in the Collaborators Lounge (we have, instead, a master list of artists to be added), plus it is normal to announce the rejection of an artist in the thread where it was suggested (since most artists are suggested); nevertheless, I think it's a nice idea to make such a thread somewhere in the forum - it would the opposite of Avestin's Latest Additions To PA, still neatly informative.
I don't believe in suggestions of a wrong or rejected artists not repeating, in case of a rejected artists list. If a guy wakes up in the morning and believe Toto and Green Day have progressive stuff, he will make a post here, "suggesting" them to be added. ![]() Further more, I myself would very much wish such a list would hold a rational element in it, cause creation it only for discussions and dialogues like "X was rejected by PA"-"What?! How is that possible?"-"Yeah, man, that's just plain wrong" wouldn't be of any use. Edited by Ricochet - November 16 2007 at 01:19 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65855 |
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yeah, careful what you wish for, sounds like a list of reasons to argue
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Here's the brief list for proto prog and prog related. The teams for the prog genres will have their own lists.
My dying bride
Phil Collins (exceptional rejection of prog band member)
Metallica (30/5/07) (Rejection confirmed by M@x)
Dead can dance (4/9/07, added as prog folk)
As you'll see, PC is on it! No harm in the current debate continuing, but he's a non-starter I'm afraid (I forgot he was there
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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I would like to add that, if any member is interested in seeing which acts have been rejected by the Genre teams, our charts on Mike's website (http://ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives.xhtml) are open to everybody. This means that the addition process is transparent, since you can all see who voted for what. I always insist on adding every band or artist we assess to our charts, so that we can keep track of our work, and allow site members to see what happens behind the scenes.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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^ I'll install some nice updates this weekend ... you'll be able to narrow down the list to rejected bands. Maybe I'll also manage to add a search facility where you simply enter the name of the band in a text field, and the website shows you the matching bands and their status.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66802 |
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Great. Thank you. Unfortunately, I know that the Phil Collins thread has caused some trouble, but hopefully those of you who have paid me any heed in the past know that I am not a troublemaker. That proposal was founded upon the very intelligent reasoning of Easy Livin'. I feel that his inclusion would help to provide a Prog Rock service by including him as I have suggested in that thread but I fully and graciously accept any decision made by M@x and/or the admin team.
And to Rico, I agree with you 100%. Sometimes an artist just clicks with someone that they really belong on PA and that they would want to suggest them to the site. They might be able to propose a different or a fresh insight to why they should be included. And also for obvious reasons, a band that was once rejected might release a pure prog album and then their inclusion would have to be reconsidered. If Phil Collins' next solo album were Selling England by the Euro, then based upon M@x guidelines that any artist with a prog (edit) album should be included, then PC would have to be included despite the rest of his category. Again a visit to fantasyland for me; sorry. Edited by rushfan4 - November 16 2007 at 08:07 |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Absolutely right RF4, who knows what the future holds!
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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The Band Submission Team keeps a Master List with all proposed bands and ...a part for rejected artists, I suppose we can publish this part of the list and the up-dates...
Edited by Alucard - November 16 2007 at 08:09 |
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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this is not a definite list, bands/artists in this list could be discussed under a new angle, but I doubt Phil Collins will make it one day
6. Rejected artists
A Perfect Circle
Age, The
Akercock
Analog Missionary
Animal Collective Apatheia
Arcade Fire,The
Art of Noise
Awaken
Anwar, Farez Beriau, Robert
Black September Boffo, Jean-Pascal (Fr)
Braindance Built To Spill
Carlos, Wendy
Celtic Frost
Coto-En-PХl Dice
Dire Straits
Dragonforce
Edgar Broughton Band Entrance
Every Other Fate Facing New York Goude, Jean-Philippe Guy Fawkes Helloween Karkwa
King Diamond Kitaro
Kyuss
Lake
Lasry, Teddy M83 Ping
Riley, Terry RX Bandits Sanctifica Stratovarius ) Sunn O)))
Toe Fat Toto Transitaural Turilli, Luca United States Of America Van Paul and the Forever Red
Xiu Xiu Edited by Alucard - November 19 2007 at 10:26 |
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66802 |
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Thank you for providing this list Alucard. There are many bands listed here that I haven't heard of so I have no judgement on. A couple of mild surprises, but nothing of significance.
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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I submitted a couple of bands for addition early this year, but I did not open any topic to discuss that sugestion. How can I know if they were accepted but not added yet, still under consideration or definitly rejected? I also noticed they are not on any of lists on Mike's site. Edited by Kotro - November 16 2007 at 11:54 |
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Bigger on the inside.
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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If you submitted a couple of bands by mail, to Alucard, Chopper or the rest of the Band Submissions gang, then those bands should appear on the Master List (on which Alucard already shown that there is a "rejected artists" section, I forgot about it by mistake) ![]() If accepted, you're bands should already have been added. But since, by what you're saying, they're not, try to remind us again of those bands, and we can check them. |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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If they were taken into consideration by those teams who don't have a chart on Mike's site, of course they won't be there. Could you be so kind as to tell us which bands they were, and where you would suggest placing them, so that we can see what we can do? |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Note that the bands on Alucard's lsit have been rejected for prog genres, not for prog related.
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8634 |
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OMG! There are some hilarious bands on that list. All hail the gatekeepers!
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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Certainly guys; the bands were Quarteto 1111 and Saga (PT). I suggested to Chopper that Saga should be submited to Symphonic Prog, and Quarteto 1111 to Proto-Prog, Psychedelic, Art-Rock and Symphonic Prog (we didn't had Crossover or Eclectic back then
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Bigger on the inside.
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aapatsos ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226 |
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thanks God, Stratovarius are not in PA...
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 17060 |
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Lol Dragonforce even considered!
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