List of Rejected Artists
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Topic: List of Rejected Artists
Posted By: rushfan4
Subject: List of Rejected Artists
Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 20:49
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I assume that there is a list of artists that have been officially rejected by mailto:M@x - M@x or the admins on the special collaborator site. Is there any chance of that being a part of the main archives? Kind of a "we have deemed these bands to not be prog enough for our site and if they would like to be on here then their next album should be prog or else!!!"
If such a list were readily available it might reduce such crazy threads such as the current Phil Collins one that I masochistically volunteered to propose. Although personally I have no problem with Phil Collins inclusion as prog-related specifically because of his ties with Genesis and not his music, I know that this is as about as popular as George W. Bush being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Thus such an area of the site might reduce these crazy threads.
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:02
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It would cut down on inane suggestions (Ivan says that he has had ABBA requests...) ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:18
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We don't have a list of rejected artists in the Collaborators Lounge (we have, instead, a master list of artists to be added), plus it is normal to announce the rejection of an artist in the thread where it was suggested (since most artists are suggested); nevertheless, I think it's a nice idea to make such a thread somewhere in the forum - it would the opposite of Avestin's Latest Additions To PA, still neatly informative. I don't believe in suggestions of a wrong or rejected artists not repeating, in case of a rejected artists list. If a guy wakes up in the morning and believe Toto and Green Day have progressive stuff, he will make a post here, "suggesting" them to be added.  Further more, I myself would very much wish such a list would hold a rational element in it, cause creation it only for discussions and dialogues like "X was rejected by PA"-"What?! How is that possible?"-"Yeah, man, that's just plain wrong" wouldn't be of any use. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:41
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yeah, careful what you wish for, sounds like a list of reasons to argue |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:30
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Here's the brief list for proto prog and prog related. The teams for the prog genres will have their own lists.
My dying bride
Phil Collins (exceptional rejection of prog band member)
Metallica (30/5/07) (Rejection confirmed by mailto:M@x - M@x )
Dead can dance (4/9/07, added as prog folk)
As you'll see, PC is on it! No harm in the current debate continuing, but he's a non-starter I'm afraid (I forgot he was there
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:34
| I would like to add that, if any member is interested in seeing which acts have been rejected by the Genre teams, our charts on Mike's website ( http://ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives.xhtml - http://ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives.xhtml ) are open to everybody. This means that the addition process is transparent, since you can all see who voted for what. I always insist on adding every band or artist we assess to our charts, so that we can keep track of our work, and allow site members to see what happens behind the scenes. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 05:18
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^ I'll install some nice updates this weekend ... you'll be able to narrow down the list to rejected bands. Maybe I'll also manage to add a search facility where you simply enter the name of the band in a text field, and the website shows you the matching bands and their status.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 07:03
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Great. Thank you. Unfortunately, I know that the Phil Collins thread has caused some trouble, but hopefully those of you who have paid me any heed in the past know that I am not a troublemaker. That proposal was founded upon the very intelligent reasoning of Easy Livin'. I feel that his inclusion would help to provide a Prog Rock service by including him as I have suggested in that thread but I fully and graciously accept any decision made by mailto:M@x - M@x and/or the admin team.
And to Rico, I agree with you 100%. Sometimes an artist just clicks with someone that they really belong on PA and that they would want to suggest them to the site. They might be able to propose a different or a fresh insight to why they should be included. And also for obvious reasons, a band that was once rejected might release a pure prog album and then their inclusion would have to be reconsidered. If Phil Collins' next solo album were Selling England by the Euro, then based upon mailto:M@x - M@x guidelines that any artist with a prog (edit) album should be included, then PC would have to be included despite the rest of his category. Again a visit to fantasyland for me; sorry. -------------
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 07:53
| Absolutely right RF4, who knows what the future holds! |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 08:09
The Band Submission Team keeps a Master List with all proposed bands and ...a part for rejected artists, I suppose we can publish this part of the list and the up-dates...
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rushfan4 wrote:Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 08:23
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this is not a definite list, bands/artists in this list could be discussed under a new angle, but I doubt Phil Collins will make it one day
6. Rejected artists
A Perfect Circle
Age, The
Akercock
Analog Missionary
Animal Collective Apatheia
Arcade Fire,The
Art of Noise
Awaken
Anwar, Farez Beriau, Robert
Black September Boffo, Jean-Pascal (Fr)
Braindance Built To Spill
Carlos, Wendy
Celtic Frost
Coto-En-PХl Dice
Dire Straits
Dragonforce
Edgar Broughton Band Entrance
Every Other Fate Facing New York Goude, Jean-Philippe Guy Fawkes Helloween Karkwa
King Diamond Kitaro
Kyuss
Lake
Lasry, Teddy M83 Ping
Riley, Terry RX Bandits Sanctifica Stratovarius ) Sunn O)))
Toe Fat Toto Transitaural Turilli, Luca United States Of America Van Paul and the Forever Red
Xiu Xiu ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 11:24
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Thank you for providing this list Alucard. There are many bands listed here that I haven't heard of so I have no judgement on. A couple of mild surprises, but nothing of significance. -------------
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 11:54
I submitted a couple of bands for addition early this year, but I did not open any topic to discuss that sugestion. How can I know if they were accepted but not added yet, still under consideration or definitly rejected? I also noticed they are not on any of lists on Mike's site. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 13:02
If you submitted a couple of bands by mail, to Alucard, Chopper or the rest of the Band Submissions gang, then those bands should appear on the Master List (on which Alucard already shown that there is a "rejected artists" section, I forgot about it by mistake) If accepted, you're bands should already have been added. But since, by what you're saying, they're not, try to remind us again of those bands, and we can check them. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 13:04
If they were taken into consideration by those teams who don't have a chart on Mike's site, of course they won't be there. Could you be so kind as to tell us which bands they were, and where you would suggest placing them, so that we can see what we can do? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 13:08
| Note that the bands on Alucard's lsit have been rejected for prog genres, not for prog related. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 14:02
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OMG! There are some hilarious bands on that list. All hail the gatekeepers! ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 16:45
Certainly guys; the bands were Quarteto 1111 and Saga (PT). I suggested to Chopper that Saga should be submited to Symphonic Prog, and Quarteto 1111 to Proto-Prog, Psychedelic, Art-Rock and Symphonic Prog (we didn't had Crossover or Eclectic back then  ). ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:07
thanks God, Stratovarius are not in PA...
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:08
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Lol Dragonforce even considered!
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:12
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 18:26
Both these bands were passed to the Symphonic Team in June. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 16 2007 at 18:30
I wasn't on the team then, but I'll check out what happened with those submissions... Thanks for reminding. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 17:50
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I still think it utterly ridiculous that Metallica were rejected, yet literally hundreds of less deserving bands made it in - including high profile non-Prog bands as "Prog-Related".
If any band is Prog (Metal) related, Metallica are.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 18:55
Wiser words have never been spoken.
Metallica has TWO full-prog-metal albums... yet we discuss BOSTON and PHIL COLLINS with threads longer than life...
Of course it's the name. That word "Metallica" scares many people here into believeing this is going the way of the metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 19:05
Metallica!! OH NOO 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 18 2007 at 19:10
Well Chopper, due to my llegal formation, I'm used to archive everyything I receive, and this is the June list of PM's: and didn't received a single PM of those bands.
Justt deleted by accident all my inbox but never received message about those bands.
Please send the info to Andu who is in charge of the team for some days
Iván
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 00:09
Actaually, they were sent to me. I think we thought Saga was better suited for a different sub. I think we were waiting for other opinions on Quarteto 1111, didn't get them, and then just kind of forgot. Sorry. 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 07:41
Indeed - that's all it is.
Blind prejudice against who Metallica have become, not what they actually were.
I'm still having problems understanding the logic of Blue Oyster Cult, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath (the latter being the epitome of metal), but not Metallica, whose influence, musical ideas - not to mention actual music - are used by Prog Metal bands.
Still, it's not my site. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 10:18
Niether of them has been added either. I'm not sure why you would wish to prohibit discussing them or anyone else though, simply because you disagree with one rejection.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 14:02
I agree that Metallica should be here ... it's my personal opinion and I respect the decision to not add them though. But what bothers me about your post is the expression "less deserving" ... I don't think that only good bands should be added. If a band attempts to sound like Dream Theater and make one such album ... they should be added, regardless of whether it sucks or not. BTW: Which non-prog bands from the PR-category are you talking about? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 14:07
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Presumably they were rejected for Prog Metal Mike, the list I provided was just for Prog Related. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 14:25
It's true that there are bands here that are prog and suck... and as Mike says, deserving of being here. Age of Nemesis is an example, or Lemur Voice. They DO suck (in my opinion of course) and are poor DT-clones, but they are prog-metal and deserve their spot.
So does Metallica.
If, suddenly, for some strange reason, Master of Puppets and And Justice for all were reissued under another band name, say, "Progtallica", believe me, they would be here in one day and not only that but would win polls for albums of the year.... -------------
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 15:09
I kind of take my opinion back...I believe Megadeth deserves a related spot. Dave Mustaine sorrounded himself with brilliant musicians..and some of them made it onto the archives somehow. Metallica and Megadeth are similar...if one should be here, the other should too. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 15:16
Explain to me what's so similar about Megadeth and Metallica, other than the fact that the lead guitar of one was lead of the other at one time?
 Maybe Rust in Peace has some weak prog elements, but it's mostly techincal thrash.
Now, MOF and AJFA, well, all our loved DT's and the such drunk from that fountain.
But Asia is here. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 15:26
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I smell a good discussion topic turning into a heavy debate...
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:58
I send everything to bhikku now as requested. Most of the emails I send to you, Ivan, get rejected. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 22:33
Hi Chopper, I posted some time ago that my mail has been changed
Bonus server exists no more, my address is (removed)
Can't change my old mail becauseof the site rules.
Iván
(It's as well to avoid publishing your e-mail address in the open area of the forum
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 03:20
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Ivan, I think you're OK changing you're e-mail address now. It used to be the link to your reviews, but it should be your forum that does that profile now.
Try it then check your reviews are still linked to you.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 03:20
I don't think that's helpful to the discussion - it's too much detail, and will likely spark a side-debate.
The "expression" I used is a simple observation of fact - there are bands in the archives that are less technical, less influential and above all, less progressive than Metallica.
I am not talking about adding a band I like, I am talking about consistency - that is all.
The T hits the nail on the head
 You can identify proggy elements in so many bands - practically everyone in rock, if you listen hard enough for the elements.
But it's not about the elements - it's about the combination of those elements, the attitude to music creation, and, of course, the end result.
Megadeth are a great, innovative and technically-oriented band - but I find it hard to hear their influence resonating in Prog Metal.
Admittedly, I haven't heard a huge amount of Prog Metal...
Innovation, virtuosity and technicality != Prog in themselves, any more than Mellotrons, orchestral arrangements and unusual time signatures automatically mean Prog Rock. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |