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    Posted: May 05 2009 at 08:20
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. 

For my taste QUIDAM (they are in neo category on PA) albums with Emila Derkowska are infinitely better.
 
 
Same here - in terms of musicality, vocal deliveries and instrumental textures, the Emila years were the best for QUIDAM's career.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 16:20
Oh and i prefer RIVERSIDE and INDUKTI to COLLAGE.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 16:16
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ I only want to tell that the minority does not feel like you about "Moonshine" Wink


LOL Point taken.     By the way,when i did this poll i had no idea that Moonshine" would win by a landslide,i just knew for me it stood above the first two Satellite albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:45
^ I only want to tell that the minority does not feel like you about "Moonshine" Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2009 at 12:13
Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

 
That's true, 'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. Regarding the comparison with other prog bands but in different style, I would not say they are "much better" but different, as one cannot compare two bands playing a completely different music, even if belonging to the same category.
Other major polish prog records include :
- Czesław Niemen's 'Enigmatic'
- Marek Grechuta's 'Magia obłoków'
- Skaldowie's 'Krywań, Krywań'
- Breakout's '70 a'
- Klan's 'Mrówisko'
- Niebiesko Czarni's 'Naga (rock-opera)'
- SBB's 'Ze słowem biegnę do Ciebie''
 
And even today you can count with other marvellous bands : Riverside (progmetal), Mindfields (retro/sympho-prog), Annalist (neo but evolved towards more trip-hop horizons), Gargantua (RIO/avant-prog), Indukti (progmetal, influenced by King Crimson and Tool), Hipgnosis (art-rock/ambient, with female vocals), Moonrise (neo-prog), Iluzjon (prog-rock)...
 
Some people just don't like symphonic prog, it seems. However, if you tell a Polish fan of Niemen or Grechuta or Skaldowie that they are listening to "progressive rock", they will laugh at you.
 
I might be wrong, but I thought that the topic was about comparing Collage and Satellite and not discussing whether Moonshine is the best Polish prog album (brilliant, but I think that it wouldn't stand against "Memento z banalnym tryptykiem" by SBB.
 
 
Your right Raphael T ,this poll isn't about the best album from Poland at all,but about the discography of two similar bands. I just wanted to see if the majority felt like i did about "Moonshine",and it appears they do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2009 at 11:07
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

 
That's true, 'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. Regarding the comparison with other prog bands but in different style, I would not say they are "much better" but different, as one cannot compare two bands playing a completely different music, even if belonging to the same category.
Other major polish prog records include :
- Czesław Niemen's 'Enigmatic'
- Marek Grechuta's 'Magia obłoków'
- Skaldowie's 'Krywań, Krywań'
- Breakout's '70 a'
- Klan's 'Mrówisko'
- Niebiesko Czarni's 'Naga (rock-opera)'
- SBB's 'Ze słowem biegnę do Ciebie''
 
And even today you can count with other marvellous bands : Riverside (progmetal), Mindfields (retro/sympho-prog), Annalist (neo but evolved towards more trip-hop horizons), Gargantua (RIO/avant-prog), Indukti (progmetal, influenced by King Crimson and Tool), Hipgnosis (art-rock/ambient, with female vocals), Moonrise (neo-prog), Iluzjon (prog-rock)...
 
However, if you tell a Polish fan of Niemen or Grechuta or Skaldowie that they are listening to "progressive rock", they will laugh at you.
  
 
 
Well, I and Tuzvihar are two polish fans of Niemen, Grechuta and Skaldowie and believe that they had a "prog" phase in their musical career. Moreover, if you check the other reknown prog sites : NGEPR and babyblaue, you will find them among other prog artists/bands. On GEPR, Polish fans even wrote a bio for Grechuta and Skaldowie.
Did you listen to Niemen's Enigmatic, Aerolit, Katharsis or Ode to Venus ?
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Haha, I was myself great fan of Grechuta and getting into Niemen (his voice irritated me in the 90s). What I meant was, that both Niemen and Grechuta (sadly deceased) earned a cult status in Poland and majority of their audience do not know of prog and therefore do not consider their music as prog. This is why they will laugh at you (checked it myself). Artists themselves possessed wider ideas and did not want to be counted amogst "progressive rock artists".
On the other hand Collage is just an epitome of prog in Poland, you say prog and think "Collage" and "Satellite".
That being said I do not want to prove that Wojciech Szadkowski is better than Niemen or Skrzek. I am just sometimes tired of 'all was better in the 70s' talk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2009 at 10:21
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. 

For my taste QUIDAM (they are in neo category on PA) albums with Emila Derkowska are infinitely better.
 
except for the small fact that their best lyrics were written by no one other than Wojciech Szadkowski, Collage's leader and Mr SatelliteSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2009 at 20:08
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. 

For my taste QUIDAM (they are in neo category on PA) albums with Emila Derkowska are infinitely better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2009 at 17:26
Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

 
That's true, 'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. Regarding the comparison with other prog bands but in different style, I would not say they are "much better" but different, as one cannot compare two bands playing a completely different music, even if belonging to the same category.
Other major polish prog records include :
- Czesław Niemen's 'Enigmatic'
- Marek Grechuta's 'Magia obłoków'
- Skaldowie's 'Krywań, Krywań'
- Breakout's '70 a'
- Klan's 'Mrówisko'
- Niebiesko Czarni's 'Naga (rock-opera)'
- SBB's 'Ze słowem biegnę do Ciebie''
 
And even today you can count with other marvellous bands : Riverside (progmetal), Mindfields (retro/sympho-prog), Annalist (neo but evolved towards more trip-hop horizons), Gargantua (RIO/avant-prog), Indukti (progmetal, influenced by King Crimson and Tool), Hipgnosis (art-rock/ambient, with female vocals), Moonrise (neo-prog), Iluzjon (prog-rock)...
 
However, if you tell a Polish fan of Niemen or Grechuta or Skaldowie that they are listening to "progressive rock", they will laugh at you.
  
 
 
Well, I and Tuzvihar are two polish fans of Niemen, Grechuta and Skaldowie and believe that they had a "prog" phase in their musical career. Moreover, if you check the other reknown prog sites : NGEPR and babyblaue, you will find them among other prog artists/bands. On GEPR, Polish fans even wrote a bio for Grechuta and Skaldowie.
Did you listen to Niemen's Enigmatic, Aerolit, Katharsis or Ode to Venus ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2009 at 16:28
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

 
That's true, 'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. Regarding the comparison with other prog bands but in different style, I would not say they are "much better" but different, as one cannot compare two bands playing a completely different music, even if belonging to the same category.
Other major polish prog records include :
- Czesław Niemen's 'Enigmatic'
- Marek Grechuta's 'Magia obłoków'
- Skaldowie's 'Krywań, Krywań'
- Breakout's '70 a'
- Klan's 'Mrówisko'
- Niebiesko Czarni's 'Naga (rock-opera)'
- SBB's 'Ze słowem biegnę do Ciebie''
 
And even today you can count with other marvellous bands : Riverside (progmetal), Mindfields (retro/sympho-prog), Annalist (neo but evolved towards more trip-hop horizons), Gargantua (RIO/avant-prog), Indukti (progmetal, influenced by King Crimson and Tool), Hipgnosis (art-rock/ambient, with female vocals), Moonrise (neo-prog), Iluzjon (prog-rock)...
 
Some people just don't like symphonic prog, it seems. However, if you tell a Polish fan of Niemen or Grechuta or Skaldowie that they are listening to "progressive rock", they will laugh at you.
 
I might be wrong, but I thought that the topic was about comparing Collage and Satellite and not discussing whether Moonshine is the best Polish prog album (brilliant, but I think that it wouldn't stand against "Memento z banalnym tryptykiem" by SBB.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2009 at 15:08
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

 
That's true, 'Moonshine' is not the only prog album coming out of Poland that deserves the attention of the prog community. However, in the field of neo-prog, it's probably the best album Poland ever delivered. Regarding the comparison with other prog bands but in different style, I would not say they are "much better" but different, as one cannot compare two bands playing a completely different music, even if belonging to the same category.
Other major polish prog records include :
- Czesław Niemen's 'Enigmatic'
- Marek Grechuta's 'Magia obłoków'
- Skaldowie's 'Krywań, Krywań'
- Breakout's '70 a'
- Klan's 'Mrówisko'
- Niebiesko Czarni's 'Naga (rock-opera)'
- SBB's 'Ze słowem biegnę do Ciebie''
 
And even today you can count with other marvellous bands : Riverside (progmetal), Mindfields (retro/sympho-prog), Annalist (neo but evolved towards more trip-hop horizons), Gargantua (RIO/avant-prog), Indukti (progmetal, influenced by King Crimson and Tool), Hipgnosis (art-rock/ambient, with female vocals), Moonrise (neo-prog), Iluzjon (prog-rock)...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2009 at 17:38
Originally posted by Thandrus Thandrus wrote:

Evening Games, though in close match with Moonshine.

To be honest, I can't explain why Evening Games is the least popular Satellite album. I think it's one of the best neo albums ever.



Other than the fact that I think Moonshine is one of the best albums ever, I agree with you about "Evening Games".  It's the only one that comes close, thanks to the incredible sadness the oozes through the title cut, Beautiful World, and Evening Overture.

I was very disappointed with Into the Night, and I've only listened to Nostalgia once. but I don't get the feeling it will be giving Street or Evening any competition.  They seems to be out of inspiration.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2009 at 12:43
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

"Basnie" was good, at least it's sung in Polish. "Moonshine" bored me to death, so I lost further interest to Collage and its offshoots.
 
Yes, one can regret that english replaced polish in further albums. If Baśnie had Robert Amirian on vocals it would be a 5-star record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2009 at 21:46
^ IMHO there are lots of much better albums in Polish prog than "Moonshine". So if it is a highlight, it's a disputed highlight. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2009 at 18:50
Concerning a whole catalogue, SATELLITE is more consistent and more powerful in terms of good songwriting and nurturing a musical develpment, but regarding individual albums, COLLAGE found an awesome peak in "Moonshine" that has so far been an undisputed highlight in the history of Polish prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2009 at 01:17
Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

I've heard everything on the list except for Safe and am going with 'Into the Night'. 
 
Safe is another jewel by Collage though much less than Moonshine. But that says more about Moonshine than about Safe. Safe is some 4,25* to me where Moonshine reaches the perfect 5 stars.
In other words: also Safe is highly recommended !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2009 at 19:31
I am finishing up Nostalgia in the car and this might be it for Satellite with me. I took a chance after the less than memorable Into The Night and am still ho hum about this band. Even considering getting rid of the last two and just keeping Evening Games and Street.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:39
Originally posted by Thandrus Thandrus wrote:

Evening Games, though in close match with Moonshine.

To be honest, I can't explain why Evening Games is the least popular Satellite album. I think it's one of the best neo albums ever.

 
Less symphonic than the debut and less sophisticated than Into The Night, that is my explanation
 
But if you listen more to Evening Games you'll find powerful emotions and really great melodies, although sometimes too rocky, like e.g. Why? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2009 at 23:57
Originally posted by Thandrus Thandrus wrote:

Evening Games, though in close match with Moonshine.

To be honest, I can't explain why Evening Games is the least popular Satellite album. I think it's one of the best neo albums ever.

 
Evening Games is my favorite by Satellite; don't really care much for the others.
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