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EdwardTheFat 
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 13:45 |
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Where do you think that Bruford shine more and why, in my opinion it was on King Crimson, songs such as Red, One More Red Nightmare, Lark's Tongues In Aspic parts 1 and 2, Indiscipline and The Great Deceiver prove it, what do you guys think.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 13:46 |
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King Crimson for sure. His work in Yes was good, but as you said, albums such as Red and Larks' Tongues really let him shine.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 13:48 |
Alan White > Bill Bruford
I'll show myself out now...
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 13:49 |
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Welcome to the forum.
I don't think you can really compare the two - they are poles apart in terms of the type of music they recorded, so any comparison is inherently distorted. KC were always far more of a jazz./eclectric outfit than Yes, and this suited Bruford at that stage of his career - he basically considered CTTE to be the absolute height of symphonic prog and felt that band could never better it. Fripp offered him an opportunity far closer to his natural musical tastes and instincts.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:30 |
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Seems like Yes era Bruford was really good, but not that spectacular. If I'm not mistaken, this was the primary reason he jumped ship: he was given more room to shine as a drummer. Just an impression as I haven't read his autobiography. I might even venture to say that White was a better fit for Yes.
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 15 2009 at 14:31
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 15:04 |
 EdwardTheFat wrote:
Where do you think that Bruford shine more and why, in my opinion it was on King Crimson, songs such as Red, One More Red Nightmare, Lark's Tongues In Aspic parts 1 and 2, Indiscipline and The Great Deceiver prove it, what do you guys think. |
Neither ... I don't dislike Bruford, and one has to admit that Close to the Edge and the album before were not good ... but I really think that he is not a good drummer for the faster, and more experimental stuff that became Tales of Topographic Oceans ... and in some cases I think there was a note from Mr. Fripp about Red saying that he wanted Bill to do it like a punk rock drummer ... and he couldn't do it ... but I don't think that any of us here think that ... Red ... is not good. And Bill is quite nice in Lark's ... although I think he's just a bit too technical for my tastes and I would have liked to see a little less timing and a little more feel for the moment ... but that is my preference.
Alan White, was ... at the start a time keeper ... and nothing else ... and I think that was necessary for Tales in order to bring all the parts home ...
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 15:11 |
Bruford really shines in KC. His very best song, I think, would be One More Red Nightmare, as pointed out by the OP.
Alan White, in the end, was a better fit for Yes. I think the majority of Yes fans can at least entertain that idea, if not accept it. It is, however, just my opinion.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 22:32 |
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Even though Yes is my favourite of the two groups, and my favourite era is Fragile-CttE, I must admit that Bruford shines much more on King Crimson, particularly on the live albums.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 23:06 |
For me it's difficult to choose with Bruford's Yes or KC contribution, I like both though musically KC with Bruford bit more. I think Bill did great work in both bands, but for me he really shines in his Earthworks line-up after late 90's  If you have not heard these records and have any appetite for jazz, I recommend them warmly.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 23:10 |
I'll go with the majority and say that Bruford really shined the most with King Crimson, and the tracks pointed out are the exact ones I would say.
However his playing in Yes was by no means bad, but it doesn't match what he did with Crimson, and that's said by someone who doesn't have a big appeal of Wetton-era KC.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 23:11 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
For me it's difficult to choose with Bruford's Yes or KC contribution, I like both though musically KC with Bruford bit more. I think Bill did great work in both bands, but for me he really shines in his Earthworks line-up after late 90's If you have not heard these records and have any appetite for jazz, I recommend them warmly. |
I agree with you with that statement, but it's really quite another approach. A Part, Yet Apart is brilliant"
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 01:27 |
i always believed that drummers in particular are better judged in a live setting and having seen BB in both Yes and KC , he can BASH, way less technical and more direct (er ....punky?) . The KC gis was right down his alley especially with Tony Levin on bass. What BB did with Wetton is legendary .....
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:31 |
EdwardTheFat wrote:
in my opinion it was on King Crimson, songs such as Red, One More Red Nightmare, Lark's Tongues In Aspic parts 1 and 2, Indiscipline and The Great Deceiver prove it, what do you guys think. |
This + more compliments.
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 09:01 |
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Bill Bruford's contibutions on Close to the Edge were universal to me. That distinctive rim shot snare drum pop of his throughout the piece is a must for the composition itself. He totally expanded beyond belief on the Crimson titles and I do feel those significant values of drum work are praised by many but, I really missed him being with Yes and I disliked much of the Yes material after his departure. He often said that if he had stayed, all that he could see himself employing would be son of Close to the Edge. I feel that Yes were very fortunate to have him aboard for that string of excellent material in which Yes displayed in the early 70's. It is a reality to me that I can never picture any other drummer covering those musical boundaries with Yes other than Bruford himself. I would choose K.C because of his expansion in their improv areas.
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 09:28 |
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I'll deftly avoid the question and muddy the waters further by recommendiong his solo stuff with Holdsworth, Berlin, and Dave Stewart (of Hatfield/Egg/National Health). Fusiony, yes, but I like it too.
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 03:15 |
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Bruford's work with Crim is definitely superior. Which isn't to say that he doesn't deserve every bit of love us Yes fans send him.
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 11:37 |
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when he was in Yes he worked really well with Chris Squire and in my opinion Chris Wasn't the same bass player after bill's departure
but bill is better in KC
quote from BB
i was precocious kid who could do a fast drum roll and thought i was here there just to show off bur Robert thought me that i was there to serve the music, not the other way around. i hadn't understood that. He reduced me to tears couple of times
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 23:39 |
you guys said it all. i liked him more in KC than yes.
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Posted: December 30 2009 at 00:15 |
Generally, KC. But listen to those first few minutes of Heart of the Sunrise. Not sure I've ever heard better drumming.
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Posted: December 30 2009 at 13:28 |
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I agree with Tarquin and Quiet above. Bruford is the best when it's been his group. KC next. With Yes, he was great, but still learning.
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