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Anthony H. ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 11 2010 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 6088 |
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Which of these statements best describes your thoughts about Tangerine Dream's "Zeit"?
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38990 |
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Masterpiece. One of the greatest albums in PA in my opinion.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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I have not listened to it for years so no vote from me on this.
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14984 |
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A very good 4 star recording in my opinion.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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A masterpiece!
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38990 |
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It's an interesting one because opinions are so divided on it (and all over the place in ratings). I think it's really underrated at 3.51. I actually thought about doing a topic about this album before asking people which of these reviews expresses their own take on the album the best: PS Sorry about the big pics (no time to edit them out from this cut 'n paste job now).
From Progarchives.com, the ultimate progressive rock music websitevar addthis_pub="progarchives.com";![]() ![]() "Birth of Liquid Plejades" starts off with a cello quartet (I believe one of the cellists was a member of HOELDERLIN), which is extremely sinister sounding, helped further with strange electronic manipulation of the cellos. Eventually the cellos disappears, and a Moog kicks in (from Florian Fricke, of POPOL VUH, who was a guest here). This seems to be one of Fricke's last recording with the Moog, before he turned to religion and to the piano and away from the Moog. There is some organ in the background. Here previous member Steve Schroyder makes a guest (he would later join ASH RA TEMPEL for "Seven Up"). Then at the end is this very trippy, PINK FLOYD like organ. The next piece, "Nebulous Dawn" is strictly electronic effects. "Origin of Supernatural Probabilities" is mainly one long sinister- sounding drone with more electronic effects, while the title track basically sounds like the middle part of PINK FLOYD's "Echoes", but it's actually nothing but wind sounds. There is no doubt that this album is one long LSD trip. It's strange how a record label like Ohr had the balls to put out such a record realizing it wouldn't sell. But I'm glad they did. Such a far cry from the stuff they did in the mid 1980s, it's not even funny. Yes, there's no such thing as a real tune here on "Zeit". Jerome Froese (Edgar Froese's son, the baby seen on several TD albums, including "Atem" and the gatefold of "Zeit", and a member of TANGERINE DREAM since the early '90s) hates this album, but that's not my problem. That's probably more the reason for me to like this album. A strange album indeed!
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![]() Posted Saturday, January 22, 2005 | Review Permalink ![]() There are tons of albums better than this one to describe the desolation once you go alone on Mars! The album is even not minimalist! Rating: 0.5 star
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![]() Posted Thursday, February 17, 2005 | Review Permalink ![]() I also wrote a review of Ricochet , which i know is a live album, but actually my favorite TD album and what i love of it (and of the Electronic or ambiental albums in general) is that it catches my attention during all the album, that kind of albums which could be repetitive or even boring at some point, but you can separate of it, it is mantaining you expectant of what`s next or something, with this Zeit album is not the case. The word made in this album is as usual great, and with the sign of TD, giving us and abiental experimentation with great guitars and all the synths which make it unique, but Zeit looks and sound a bit boring for me, i dont know how to explain but it simply dont click with me as the level of Ricochet, Encore or Logos for instance, i repeat, it`s a good album, i like it, but i could skip the songs or try another album and nothing bothers me , the fact is that i doesn`t catch my attention to nominate it as a 5 or 4 star album, so for that i think is a 3 star album, good but non essential.
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![]() Posted Wednesday, January 18, 2006 | Review Permalink ![]() Not that I would want it to.
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![]() Posted Sunday, January 29, 2006 | Review Permalink ![]() I find it not so much music as it is "sonic art." Zeit is hard to "get" and even more so to "appreciate," but persistence and an open mind will give you a reward. Not for the faint of heart, though.
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![]() Posted Thursday, May 03, 2007 | Review Permalink ![]() "Birth of Liquid Plejades" starts the epic album with a long process of string instruments waving atonally, creating a mysterious and beautiful sound wall little similar to BRIAN ENO's "Pachebell variations" from his "Discreet Music" album. Later a single synth drone emerges, changing the symphonic background saound carpet as quiet organ chords, which start to grow and paint very solemn chord progressions over shapeless suble howls creating a feling of large space, and the whole number making up a very celestial moment. "Nebulous Dawn" brings me an association of cruising trough space in a huge ship. Slow drones sound like pulsings of quasistellar objects, and quiet, long and very deep hummings and mechanical sounds create the feeling of the spacecraft. Later very alien sounding voices deepens the unearthly feeling of this track. There's similiar stuff like this on the sole album recorded by German GALACTIC EXPLORES. "Origin of Supernatural Probabilities" is an extremelly slow and beautiful simple melody procession gathering some gaseous sound-clouds hovering around the infinite hallways of sounds. Then enter some haunting voices and whispers, like faint ghosts wandering to the scene. They are followed by pulsing drones and dark noises, returning to more concrete and existing cosmic landscape from the supernatural level, where these ghosts ghastly dissappear, creating calm and static humming soundscape. In the end of the composition the swirling supernatural theme re-emerge. "Zeit" (Time) is the most abstract of the four movements, summarizing many aural elements presented in the previous tracks, creating a surreal voyage trough a fundamental and realtive concept of our universe. This is totally perfect record to be listened when meditating, driving long distances in night with a car, or studying the heavenly objects from pictures or with a telescope. In my opinion one of the essential albums of this group, being a real experience!
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![]() Posted Thursday, November 08, 2007 | Review Permalink ![]() If modern rock music can be compared to the drama of a thunderstorm or ocean waves crashing on the shore, this album is a still pond in winter with cold stars winking and the Northern Lights flickering overhead. 'Zeit' is uncompromising avant-garde ambience with a cold, German edge. The majority of proggers (let alone people) will hate this, a minority will respect it and a few hardy souls will love it - just like an extended holiday north of the Arctic Circle, perhaps. There's nothing to do but allow the unchanging beauty to seep in. If you don't have the patience for that, stay at home. Ambient music can often mistakenly be thought of as 'background' music, to have playing while thinking of something else. Nothing could be further from the truth, or more injurious to the listening experience. Ambient music should be listened to with one's full attention, the mind totally engaged in bringing imagination to the music. At the risk of sounding new agey, the mind alters the music, and the music alters the mind. 'Zeit' must be engaged with. Simply 'playing it in the background' - akin to never leaving your suite at Hotel Borg in Reykjavik - is not enough. This is brave, this is genius, this is borderline comedy, this is insanity. It's either one star or five, so I'll split the difference.
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![]() Posted Sunday, April 20, 2008 | Review Permalink ![]() The first album by the Froese, Franke, Baumann trio offers something of an ignominious and challenging introduction to what would become for many the classic Tangerine Dream line up. Consisting of 4 side long (LP) tracks or movements, "Zeit" (the German word for time) is what might simplistically be called inaccessible. For many, it represents a low point in the career of Tangerine Dream, while for others it is a holy grail. The sound of the synthesiser, which was introduced by the band on the previous "Alpha Centauri", is starting to become the key part of the band's identity now, with both Baumann and Franke using it, along with guest musician Florian Fricke (Popol Vuh). The album starts deceptively with a quartet of cellos opening "Birth of liquid pledjades". There's no actual melody, just a continuous drone of varying pitches. The cellos slip away after about 8 minutes, to be replaced by an organ drone accompanied by sundry synth effects. It is all very slow moving and ponderous, but strangely atmospheric. As it turns out, side one is probably the most accessible, or to be more accurate least inaccessible, of the four. The following "Nebulous dawn" appears to be designed to deliberately cause annoyance, the tuneless noises being of a type which would in normal circumstances lead to a call to the police. Presumably the separating of the tracks was in reality an occupational inconvenience due to the limitations of the vinyl format. Certainly as "Nebulous dawn" slips into "Origin of supernatural probabilities", there is no apparent change, the two sounding very similar. Admittedly, the latter is a bit less grating than the former, but remains devoid of music as such. The title track closes the album with no change of pace, substance or effect whatsoever. Apart from the cellos on track one, it would be all but impossible to identify any of these pieces individually. I certainly would not recommend trying to listen to the compelte album in one sitting. In all, a totally impenetrable album which on the face of it, anyone with an organ and a synthesiser could come up with. If you enjoy listening to white noise and other sounds devoid of music of any sort, this could well be for you. One things for sure, "Zeit" does not get any easier to listen to with the passing of zeit.
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![]() Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 | Review Permalink ![]() It is not the type of album you could play more than once a year perhaps right through. It is droning and if played too loud.. mainly vibrations from your speakers. It does hurt me to say this as Tangerine Dream are totally outstanding, I just wondered what planet they were on when they recorded this. I would give this album a miss, unless your idea of fun is getting a migraine after 75 mins of wailing and droning. Sorry.
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![]() Posted Saturday, January 24, 2009 | Review Permalink ![]() Even if this record is a love/hate affair, I never found it so difficult to apprehend (not as early ''Kraftwerk'' efforts'' for instance). On the other hand, the magic of later albums is not fully present (but there are more than hints though) and lots of people might find this album pretty uninteresting or boring. I would be more cautious about my comments. Of course, the supreme beauty of ''Rubycon'' is not matched, the great aspects of the following ''Phaedra'' are not yet there, but there are still some fine passages available. In some sort, this album was the basement which led the band reaching the upper heights of electronic music. As such, this album deserves an attentive listening. While listening to ''Birth of Liquid Pleyades'', I just can say that it matches the quality of some later recordings; maybe less melodic but the whole picturesque of the band is to be felt. Some part are more difficult to access than others; and ''Nebulous Dawn'' is quite ? nebulous but at times some of the later TD atmospheres can be distinguished though. Out of the four pieces, it is my least favourite because of its difficult approach. I won't tell you that ''Zeit'' is an album that I frequently listen to (once a year or so), but every time that I do so, I mostly enjoy it. The title track for instance may lack those beautiful harmonies that the band will offer later on, but I am much more enthusiast about such a record than the first two ''Kraftwerk'' albums for instance. At least, there is a spirit behind these four tracks and it is really enjoyable when you want to relax. The most traditional TD number is probably ''Origin?'': there are some deep roots with their later works that can be identified. I always have liked these tranquil spacey sounds that always lead me to the boundaries of the Universe. This is of course not an album for every ears (prog or non-prog ones). It is harder to get into ''Zeit'' than ''Phaedra'' but TD fans (or anyone interested in electronic music) should take the time to discover this work. At the end of the record, it is a rewarding exercise (at least I feel so). To release such an album in '72 was quite daring. Three stars.
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![]() Posted Monday, June 15, 2009 | Review Permalink ![]() Even though many fans don't like this album, every album that follows it in the 70's contains echoes of the spooky cosmic sound that is created here. Not the kind of album you sit and relax to but worth the effort to try getting into it.
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![]() Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 | Review Permalink ![]() This is an album of spacey drones from organs and synthesizers (and a bit of strings at the beginning of the first track). And that pretty much sums it up. If you look less for atmosphere, and more for structure and technique in your music, you probably will not enjoy this very much. It's hard to even think of it as music, to tell the truth, more like standing on an icy, barren plane somewhere near the north pole and listening to the wind. This is not an album to look to for emotional connections, but for bleak and cold atmosphere. Certainly this is a difficult album for the newbie, and I would never recommend it to anyone as an introduction to TD (for that, I would go with Phaedra without a doubt). But there is something about this albums minimalism and lack of rhythmic patterns that appeals to me in an esoteric, subconscious way. Even though I rate it highly, I don't listen to it very often. It does require a certain mood and mindset for sure. But I would say that anyone who has gained appreciation for a couple other 70's TD albums should certainly give this one a try. Just be ready for something very different.
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![]() Posted Tuesday, October 13, 2009 | Review Permalink ![]() I can´t say that it was the mindblowing experience that I was hoping and cheering for, but more in the realm of: Are you [%*!#]ing kidding me?? Where is the drummer? Where is the guitar? And why does this album sound like the perfect romance music for people in coma trying to get it on? Is it dance music for humpback whales? OR am I listening to this in the right manner? The music is so minimalistic that you are struggling to see the minuscule changes that actually DO happen. The trick is not to listen. Yep, that´s what I said! I had it in my cd-changer for a while, and sometimes it would be playing when I wasn´t aware of it. It eventually struck me as a good record, whilst listening to this after a 10 hour long workday as a sub in the local kinder garden, where I strut my stuff from time to time. I was tired like Santa turning 350 - put the album on, and suddenly I got it! It was music of giant immoveable mountains and planets spinning on their own axes to the slow droning of TD. The music moves extremely slow - like a caterpillar with untied shoelaces, but when you finally calm yourself down to the point of 4 heartbeats a minute, the droning of the caterpillar suddenly transforms into this galactic butterfly, and you are left with an absurd mental image of Time. The problem with this album then is its inaccessibility. It´s a masterpiece in its own right, but I am so seldom in the mood for it, that it looses the attraction. It truly is a mental voyage to listen to this album, but more so a never ending hunt for the right mindset, which is a shame.
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![]() Posted Tuesday, November 17, 2009 | Review Permalink ![]() This was my third Tangerine Dream album (following Phaedra and Rubycon) and initially I was pulled in by the album's length. Odd thing to draw me to an album, I know, but I have a habit of finding an artist's longer albums and checking them out. Sometimes I get gems, sometimes I get duds. This (along with Can's Tago Mago) is one of the most exquisite gems I've found so far this way. From the second it gets rolling with the first track, with those eerie cello lines slowly building and building, I knew I had made a good choice. This album is true deep space music...some artists excel at making albums in the near-space realm, generally staying within the Milky Way, but Tangerine Dream had bigger aspirations than that - they decided that they'd go for the far edge of the universe, right there on the edge of nothingness. This album is definitely sparse, abstract, etc, really showing off that feeling of nothingness colliding with everything. That's a big part of its beauty, though. Based on my (admittedly) limited experience with some of the progressive electronic masters, I'd say that there are few or no other albums that sound like this one. The uniqueness was another big draw for me. As many of the others have said, this album doesn't have any percussion - just the electronics (and the cellos in the first track) and it's got a great, dreamy/spacey atmosphere. This one is one of the greatest Prog Electronic albums ever to be recorded. It shows just how far out some of the pioneers were willing to go, and that distance might as well be infinity since the universe is always expanding and this one is right at the edge. Definitely an essential masterpiece of progressive rock (even though the "rock" element is missing in this and many of the best Electronic albums).
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![]() Posted Tuesday, August 17, 2010 | Review Permalink ![]() This album is hard to describe as all the four tracks flow without a tempo, so instead of telling what happens at minute x of track y, let me speak about my feelings over it. When I bought it in the 70s I was told they were similar to Pink Floyd, so I was very disappointed of those 4 tracks about 15-20 minutes long, mainly made of keyboards and without any drum. I simply was not ready for this kind of music and I gave the double LP to a friend. The olny thing of which I regret actually was the sleeve design. After years I became familiar with electronic and psychedelic music and I also went into some classic contemporary so I can now really appreciate what was an experimental album in 1972. Zeit means Time in German, and the four tracks are a journey into the deep space. The first, "Birth of liquid Pleiades" can be defined "liquid", in the sense of something that flows constantly and continuously like the water on a big river in a flat land. "Nebulous Dawn" is very different from the first track. I didn't appreciate the difference at the first listen. It's made of sounds, more than of music. The chaotic part on Atom Heart Mother can be a reference, even if there's no rhythm here. This is really psychedelic and effectively the most floydian of the 4 tracks. "Original of Supernatural Probabilities" Is halfway as it contains both the "liquid" melodic part and electronic noises. It's probably the easiest to listen as it contains spare parts of what can be called "melody". "Zeit" is not much different, but it gives me the idea of the end of the space journey, a sort of homecoming. To enjoy this album (as well as most of the space-psychedelia), you have to forget the usual concept of music. Get your headphones, close your eyes and travel into deep space or any other amazing place your mind can disclose. This album is a milestone in his genre.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Nice gigantic post, Logan.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38990 |
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I didn't have time to write a gigantic post, so I figured that would the next best thing. ![]() Anthony, I don't always like to reveal my modus operandi (reasons why I decided to do a certain poll on my first post), but did you do this because during that Tangerine Dream contest poll (that you did) several people mentioned their love of Zeit, then you checked it out and were disappointed? Or just because you knew that opinions were divided on this album (as mentioned in that other thread)? Maybe you haven't heard it yet, and are looking for some feedback? Did you vote? And damn, I've broken my word to my family that I would not post at PA again. Damn, it's a tough habit to break. Edited by Logan - September 03 2010 at 16:34 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Anthony H. ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 11 2010 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 6088 |
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I was listening to it for the second or third time, and I wanted to see how the very divided opinions about this album would pan out in a poll. I didn't vote, but if I did, I would choose "a very good album." |
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It's whatever. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't an important early TD album. I'd also be lying if I said I didn't like 95% of the 80+ TD albums I have more than it, or that tons of other drone/ambient artists have made more appealing long compositions.
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I quite like it, and think it a masterpiece.
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...something I need to buy soon.
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Probably one of my most played CDs, usually late at night as I drift off to sleep.
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It's an excellent album. I don't know If I could call it a masterpiece, but it's still nothing less than a four-star record.
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A very good album but you really have to be in the mood for it. When that hads it is very rewarding |
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Man i used to use Electronic music to sleep to but it's been a while.Time to get back into that habit.
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that album is bloody f**kin' brilliant
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I'll say a very good album. I like it a lot, but it's sometimes difficult to sit all the way through it and I think I prefer other TD albums.
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A very very good album !
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Fairly mediocre IMO. I prefer Atem, although I'm not a big TD fan really
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