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Poll Question: Which drummer do you prefer?
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I... just ... totally cant decide

actually two of my favourite Bands AND my favourite drummers...

but voted for Jaki to get the equality Big smile
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This is a great record,enjoy your listens!
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I'll vote Liebezeit, but it was a close call
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Can sound pretty crap to me. Vander by a mile. Great drummer, great composer, great vocalist
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I would prefer to see Liebezeit vs Grosskopf.

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I'll take both, pleez
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Tough. Two drummers I love for totally different reasons. I'll go Jaki because I find he's a bigger part of his band's sound.
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Jaki. Christian seems like an action guy but he doesn't provide enough action to my ears. Jaki, on the other hand, was (and probably still is) one of the most proficient drummers in Germany, and I do like his more sophisticated drumming style quite a bit.
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I would prefer to see Liebezeit vs Grosskopf.
Then I'd probably vote Großkopf.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 09 2013 at 19:42
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I picked Jaki Liebezeit, but, oddly enough, not for his work in Can, but for his involvement in the short-lived German group Jail, who released one album in 1976 called You Can Help Me.
             Jail were a great band while they lasted, and featured a literal "Who's Who" of German musicians-along with Liebezeit, among others, there was Roland Schaeffer from Brainstorm and Guru Guru on sax, and, as a guitarist/singer on some tracks, the late Helmut Koellen who was in Triumvirat
Jaki also was the drummer of Phantom Band (or Phantomband...) - 3 quite unique albums (the first being a hybrid of spacerock and soul, the next a kind of psych/punk work and the last a freak-space work).  Vander is just a plain MONSTER.  I have some footage where he does his drum solo but he is literally walking around a jungle of cymbals and hitting every part he can.  His set up is massive. Where's the 'I dig both' option....?
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Jaki by far. He was such a big part of the band's sound. Whenever I think about Can, it's the rhythms and textures from his playing that instantly stick out. An all time favourite for sure.
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Christian Vander for me.
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As a drummer myself, there are only a couple of prog drummers I'm crazy about. These are two of them, both are amongst my faves. Have to go with Vander, though. Jaki is the master of the motorik drumming, but CV is a great groover as well. I have plenty of vintage vids of both and it's CV who does stuff that leaves me in awe (as in, "how the heck did he do that fill?"); both are awesome, although I prefer CV's jazz chops to JL's.
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Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

As a drummer myself, there are only a couple of prog drummers I'm crazy about. These are two of them, both are amongst my faves. Have to go with Vander, though. Jaki is the master of the motorik drumming, but CV is a great groover as well. I have plenty of vintage vids of both and it's CV who does stuff that leaves me in awe (as in, "how the heck did he do that fill?"); both are awesome, although I prefer CV's jazz chops to JL's.
 
Agreed. Vander is one of those "super drummers" that has a universe of chops and his stamina, feel and control is just breathtaking. Absolutely on the level of giants like Billy Cobham, Buddy Rich and the likes.
 
However, Jaki's grooves and feel can NOT be praised enough. One of the tastiest drummers I know of and mixes the simple with the tricky brilliantly!
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