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    Posted: December 04 2011 at 22:39
Hey guys. We all know that a good portion of prog is influenced by Classical music. So I've begun this topic to ask you guys which composers YOU think are the ones that most influenced prog in general and why.

For me at least it seems that each band was influenced by different things. The first thing that comes to mind, however, are Barroque and Romantic composers. Specifically, Bach and Mussorgsky, because of ELP. Those are the first ones that come to mind when I think of prog, although I can think of a lot of other composers from those periods (and Modern ones too).

Interestingly, I can't easily think of any bands that were influenced by the Classical period, of Mozart, Haydn and early Beethoven. Maybe if I think harder I'll remember something, but when I think of Mozart nothing initially springs to my mind. Maybe because it's "too mainstream" for prog bands?

So, what composers do YOU guys think were the most important for prog bands?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 06:55
^ I think the issue with Mozart was that his music was too much of an organic mix of elements instead of being based on one main idea that you could take and use, and still be recognizable even in the rock disguise (like the baroque counterpoint for example). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 09:36
The obvious ones would be the ones ELP, The Nice, or Triumvirat covered.  I'm going to toss in Debussy for doing sonic pictures, and I think one which ELP never covered.

Edited by Slartibartfast - December 05 2011 at 09:53
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 09:42
Franz Liszt seems to have invented the symphonic poem.
Schubert seems to be important for the song cycle.
Both forms seem to be quite important for prog.

Maybe some English composers were important too, like Vaughan Williams and Holst.

But Keith Emerson, Tony Banks, Jon Anderson and all the important individual composers all had different composers who influenced them heavily.

Hard to single out one.

Maybe Beethoven, who reinvented himself several times.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 13:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 13:48
though not in a really big way, Mozart and Beethoven are in the prog mix
      Triumvirat quote a Mozart opera overture on side one of their album Mediterranean Tales
        Latte e Miele quote from a Beethoven piano sonata on side two of their album Papillon

          As far as those composers most important, it is a hard question to answer-to me, their is a little bit of a lot of different ones, versus a few dominating at the top


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 15:33
I think the safe answer is they all did.
 
Many a piano "solo" has been based on Rachmaninov and Chopin. Obviously Curved Air were inspired by Riley and Vivaldi. Savatage quote Grieg and Mozart (amongst others). Tori Amos's latest album uses Satie, Chopin, Schubert, Mendelsohn, Bach, Debussy, Mussorgsky and others. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2011 at 16:22
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

toss in Debussy for doing sonic pictures, and I think one which ELP never covered.
you can hear Debussy's "la cathédrale engloutie" in Renaissance's "at the harbour".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 12:13
Most classical composers who belong to the canon of music have influenced all rock and pop music, because they belong to the same continuum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 14:53
Holst's Planets Suite has been done by various contemporary musicians. Kevin Peek (Sky) did his version back in the eightes and then there was ELP's Mars , Manfred Mann's Joybringer (Jupiter) and of course 'The Tomita Planets'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 15:05

Henry Cow sounds a lot like Messiaen's music.


And we wouldn't have symph prog without the excesses of Baroque and Romantic period.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2011 at 04:38
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Holst's Planets Suite has been done by various contemporary musicians. Kevin Peek (Sky) did his version back in the eightes and then there was ELP's Mars , Manfred Mann's Joybringer (Jupiter) and of course 'The Tomita Planets'

And don't forget King Crimson on The Devil's Triangle.

I read somewhere that Bartók was a huge influence on Robert Fripp's music. Listening to some Ravel the other day, Jeux d'eau and his 1914 Piano Trio in A minor, I thought damn this sounds really prog... well that's just a personal impression though Tongue

The Second Viennese School seems to be very influential in a lot of avant-garde bands if you ask me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2011 at 03:41
Elton John's playing in this song is close to classical era music, Mozart, Hayden,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA-9Joq549E
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:06
By the way, Kevin Peek passed away a few days before Kevin Ayers did.
 
God rest Kevin Peek's soul in peace!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2013 at 12:59
Hi,
 
Ooohhhh c'mon ... ROLL OVER, BEETHOVEN!
 
But Mozart would likely be the most copied and not seen, since you never heard his 759 violin concertos ... akin to the same thing in rock songs at the time!
 
All in all, I would think that saying one or another is not right since there are many.
 
You can go look at Thiijs Van Leer, if you don't believe me ... Introspection 1 and Introspection 2 ... and I think that Mozart and Beethoven are just the ones that have the most music published ... and might be the most played ... which might make them the most influential ... but then ... both of those never got Switched On, either ... !!!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2013 at 14:55
Freddie Mercury's' piano playing is highly influenced by Mozart.

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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