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YESESIS 
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 Topic: Is a Wishbone Ash album Argus prog?
Posted: August 12 2017 at 16:57 |
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All I know is that Wishbone Ash is a darn good band and criminally underrated.
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Posted: August 12 2017 at 16:21 |
 dr wu23 wrote:
Ok..they are clearly listed under prog related in the page that discusses this...so why all the blabber..?http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38 |
I assume 'the blabber' is because someone started a thread with the proposition 'Is the Wishbone Ash Album Argus Prog?' I guess everyone has been expressing their ideas about that. I guess it shows that regardless of how bands are categorised by prog archives, people still want to discuss or express that they may have different views.  |
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 11:21 |
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I regard it as a f**king good album
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I regard it as a f**king good prog rock album.
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 10:58 |
Ok..they are clearly listed under prog related in the page that discusses this...so why all the blabber..? http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 04 2017 at 16:06 |
There was a bit of a return to form with 'No Smoke without fire' lp and 'Just testing' but it went seriously downhill from there. A contemporary band I have become acquainted with is 'Tin Spirits' (with Dave Gregory of XTC and Big big train) who have 2 guitars, bass and drums and they reminded me of WA at their best in many ways though they play covers of king crimson and genesis as well as their own material. Another band who kinda reminded me of WA were a band called 'Orange Can' who were label mates of the Beta band in the 90's and had a 2 guitar line up but used it to create something a bit different. I re-listened to the first WA and Pilgrimage and actually I think they are both more experimental than Argus which sort of solidified that sound in a more polished way. I don't care what they're labelled, they were a really, really great band when firing on all cylinders but wincingly bad when not..
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YESESIS
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Posted: July 30 2017 at 13:10 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Man oh man, I think the first two are 'Proggier' than Argus  but what do I know ?? |
Well their song, "The Pilgrim"(from the second album) sounds proggier than anything on Argus yeah, imo. Also I think their 'proggiest' sounding album would be, "Nouveau Calls." But what do I know either lol.
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Posted: July 30 2017 at 04:20 |
Man oh man, I think the first two are 'Proggier' than Argus but what do I know ??
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Posted: July 30 2017 at 02:16 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ David, you nailed it !! It's quite irrelevant whether it is PROG or not. A good album, is a good album. Period. |
yup you're right, but Argus (which I love) was maybe the band's only (or greatest) argument for inclusion in PA. And Argus is prog enough to be almost (but not quite) full-blown prog Since it's WA's proggiest by quite a margin, it's normal that WA is not in a full-blown genre. Had Ash done two or three more albums of Argus' prog calibre (I mean the first two are OK too, but not" full-blown" prog), then Wishbone might've found a spot in "heavy prog"
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Posted: July 29 2017 at 03:17 |
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^ David, you nailed it !! It's quite irrelevant whether it is PROG or not. A good album, is a good album. Period.
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Posted: July 29 2017 at 03:08 |
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Ever since this thread started I've revisited my copy of Argus to see what I'd been missing. Yesterday though it worked pretty well as a sort of background music for (attempting to) lifting weights. Hard rock blues rock with a few colourful guitar ornamentations here and there but prog? I don't hear it...but then again there are lots of people who think Toto, Boston, The Tubes, Grateful Dead, Dire Straits, Gerry Rafferty and Queen are prog. If that is the yardstick then Argus is the proverbial Foxtrot.
I don't hear it myself.
With all that being said: does the prog tag alter anything about the album? Is it naturally a better release if it's progressive? If so please check out Trout Mask Replica. Lots of progressive tendencies going down.
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YESESIS
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 23:11 |
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If I want to 'prog out' I'll put on Close to the Edge, or some Gentle Giant, etc.. But in those moments I don't reach for Argus(even as all time great as it is). Just doesn't fit that kind of mood for me.
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 12:28 |
Some one really needs to get rid of this Captcha thing....I'm about ready to bail on this forum....
At any rate it amazes me that 20 people think Argus is prog rock......when it's no more proggy that The Who or Zep...who get tagged prog related.
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 08:20 |
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It was a good day Alan  Opeth and ELP were great. |
I thought ELP were great as well, at least till I heard the CD of their performance a few weeks later, they didn't sound quite so good then! "Feedback, feedback!" And wasn't there some kind of punch-up back stage? Sorry, gone a bit off-topic now. |
Yeah, the recording sounded pretty bad, but there I thought the sound was very good. The performance was never going to be as nimble and precise as it was back in the day, but very good nonetheless. Good setlist too! I'm pleased I got to see them before Lake and Emerson sadly passed away.
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 06:14 |
Blacksword wrote:
It was a good day Alan Opeth and ELP were great. |
I thought ELP were great as well, at least till I heard the CD of their performance a few weeks later, they didn't sound quite so good then! "Feedback, feedback!" And wasn't there some kind of punch-up back stage? Sorry, gone a bit off-topic now.
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 05:26 |
I they were running behind schedule, and for some reason thought it more important to allow WA to play for an eternity than give Hackett more time, even though they were lower on the billing. I remember Uriah Heap played all of Demons & Wizards too. That weren't bad. It was a good day Alan Opeth and ELP were great.
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 04:52 |
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 04:48 |
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And the debut from WA is my absolute fave (if I haven't mentioned earlier  )
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Tom, I believe you live in the States. You might like to start planning a trip to the UK at the back end of 2018 as Martin Turner has just announced that his band will be including a full performance of the whole of the WA first album in their shows then. Including the often-requested song Handy which I don't believe any lineup of WA has performed live since 1971.
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I saw them play an acoustic set at a small hall 5 minutes walk from my house a few weeks ago. Great show! |
I saw them play an acoustic set at a small hall 5 minutes walk from my house a few weeks ago. Great show!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 03:14 |
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I say that it's 'Proggy enough' without being full-blown Prog ala Yes, Crimso etc. just a different kind of 'Progressive Rock' if you will.
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uduwudu
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Posted: July 28 2017 at 02:32 |
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Of course it is prog rock. I'll leave it to the whomever to decide what sort of place to file it. But it's a more or less themed album. It just doesn't have keyboards. Slide guitar gets used but no tracks are blues based. It's just done differently to the usual early 70s formula. Or is that the problem?
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Posted: July 26 2017 at 20:47 |
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They're probably my favorite band. But no, I don't consider that album to be prog(all time great album though).
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