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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2006 at 16:59

Prog died basically in the late seventies with a few bands carrying on the flag throughout the  80`s an 90`s and even the 2000`s

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2006 at 18:06
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Prog died basically in the late seventies with a few bands carrying on the flag throughout the  80`s an 90`s and even the 2000`s

 

I disagree.  Totally.  IMO, it didn't die;  it went through various permutations to end up with what we now know as prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2006 at 09:12
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Prog died basically in the late seventies with a few bands carrying on the flag throughout the  80`s an 90`s and even the 2000`s

 

So, you have one of those "clone" music collections? Man, you're missing a lot. But don't change your music preferences. Stick with what you like. It has been proved that it is very diffcult for someone to start a new taste after a certain age. For example, statistics say that I'll probably won't like Sushi, because I never tasted it before my 25's. But, I have a tendency to enjoy new things, so my chances are a bit higher than... let's say others...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:19
I'm really rather glad this thread passed me by when it was active.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:21

Yesterday I bought a Guapo album ... I can assure any worried people that prog is alive and going strong.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Yesterday I bought a Guapo album ... I can assure any worried people that prog is alive and going strong.

Which?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2006 at 12:33
^ I bought Five Suns from 2003. I've listened to it two times, and I really like it. It's somewhere between King Crimson, New Art Rock bands like Indukti and GYBE.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 09:03
Originally posted by The Lost Chord The Lost Chord wrote:

I just don't like it, i think there is SO much more to the late 60's and early 70's...the music was so powerful and meaningful back then....and it can NEVER, EVER be re-done.

Prog is short for progressive, but it is also just a genre!  I prefer "Late 60's, early 70's prog", i call that PROG!  Nothing else is prog in my eyes, THAT is the era of prog music and it DIED with it!

Anything today or afterward woulkd either be "insert era here prog" or "modern prog"

 

Just like there is "rock", "alternative rock", and "classic rock"...there are subdivisions for prog.

I LOVE the vintage prog, the great, golden years of prog "Late 60's, early 70's", that is my prog, simple as.

I do not understand how people can love that era, and still subject there ears to the modern music today....despite how much talent, or whatever gopes into it, there is just something about the ERA that gives it that extra importance!

You are incredibly close minded for a Prog fan... I'm disapointed in you
I don't understand how YOU can limit yourself to the "Golden Age" of prog, the Flower Kings, IQ, Focus, the Mars Volta, Dream Theater, etc. All make beautiful prog music for my hungry prog ears. I think your (and I myself) overuseing the term "prog" as if prog is even a certain sound. Prog doesn't sound like anything really. It's just chalk full of melody, rythem, ideas, emotions. It borrows from so many genre's thus creating so many new sounds. Prog has always done this, and will always do this. As long as the "Prog-groups" are willing to transcend the ideal of a "Progressive" sound. No matter what the year, stop looking at "modern-prog" as if its competing with the "vintage-prog", this is not a battle, this is a joint on-ward march, in order to Progress sound and ideas. Listen to them for what they are today. Enjoy them for what they were, as the future comes. Open your ears.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 09:17

Let's agree to disagree.

The problem with a lot of fans is that they stick to their genre/sub-genre and don't open their minds.  That's a real shame, it's not what the music is about.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 09:34
Originally posted by -Radioswim- -Radioswim- wrote:

Originally posted by The Lost Chord The Lost Chord wrote:

I just don't like it, i think there is SO much more to the late 60's and early 70's...the music was so powerful and meaningful back then....and it can NEVER, EVER be re-done.

Prog is short for progressive, but it is also just a genre!  I prefer "Late 60's, early 70's prog", i call that PROG!  Nothing else is prog in my eyes, THAT is the era of prog music and it DIED with it!

Anything today or afterward woulkd either be "insert era here prog" or "modern prog"

 

Just like there is "rock", "alternative rock", and "classic rock"...there are subdivisions for prog.

I LOVE the vintage prog, the great, golden years of prog "Late 60's, early 70's", that is my prog, simple as.

I do not understand how people can love that era, and still subject there ears to the modern music today....despite how much talent, or whatever gopes into it, there is just something about the ERA that gives it that extra importance!

You are incredibly close minded for a Prog fan... I'm disapointed in you
I don't understand how YOU can limit yourself to the "Golden Age" of prog, the Flower Kings, IQ, Focus, the Mars Volta, Dream Theater, etc. All make beautiful prog music for my hungry prog ears. I think your (and I myself) overuseing the term "prog" as if prog is even a certain sound. Prog doesn't sound like anything really. It's just chalk full of melody, rythem, ideas, emotions. It borrows from so many genre's thus creating so many new sounds. Prog has always done this, and will always do this. As long as the "Prog-groups" are willing to transcend the ideal of a "Progressive" sound. No matter what the year, stop looking at "modern-prog" as if its competing with the "vintage-prog", this is not a battle, this is a joint on-ward march, in order to Progress sound and ideas. Listen to them for what they are today. Enjoy them for what they were, as the future comes. Open your ears.

I couldn't agree more. Perhaps the problem is that the term "prog" is the origin of the term itself. I mean, we all know wich bands started the concept. Or perhaps there are bands that should simply not be catalogued under that term. I don't know. Still, there are modern bands that think about themselves as prog that really has something to offer. Halloween and Anekdoten would be good examples.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 10:00
Prog didn't die dude, it just went underground to evolve and take on new forms like Iron Maiden, DT, Marillion etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 14:15

Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Prog didn't die dude, it just went underground to evolve and take on new forms like Iron Maiden, DT, Marillion etc.

I have developed a method to determinate who and who is not prog. for example, let's take Iron Maiden as subject. We aproach to them and ask: "...Excuse me, mr. Iron Maiden person you sir. ¿would you please tell if you, fine gentlemen, and those other Iron Maiden persons, consider yourself or your music or both as something we could define as, let's say, "progressive"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 14:20
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Prog didn't die dude, it just went underground to evolve and take on new forms like Iron Maiden, DT, Marillion etc.

I have developed a method to determinate who and who is not prog. for example, let's take Iron Maiden as subject. We aproach to them and ask: "...Excuse me, mr. Iron Maiden person you sir. ¿would you please tell if you, fine gentlemen, and those other Iron Maiden persons, consider yourself or your music or both as something we could define as, let's say, "progressive"?

Another way would be to rate all their songs' progressiveness - say on a 0 to 10 scale.

Hint: you can do that on my homepage.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 15:02
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Prog didn't die dude, it just went underground to evolve and take on new forms like Iron Maiden, DT, Marillion etc.

I have developed a method to determinate who and who is not prog. for example, let's take Iron Maiden as subject. We aproach to them and ask: "...Excuse me, mr. Iron Maiden person you sir. ¿would you please tell if you, fine gentlemen, and those other Iron Maiden persons, consider yourself or your music or both as something we could define as, let's say, "progressive"?

Another way would be to rate all their songs' progressiveness - say on a 0 to 10 scale.

Hint: you can do that on my homepage.

Nah, Mike...that's why we have threads like this! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 15:21
  1. Guapo
  2. Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses
  3. Koenji Hyakkei
  4. Tortoise
  5. Explosions In The Sky
  6. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
  7. A Silver Mt Zion
  8. Sigur Ros
  9. Alamaailman Vasarat
  10. Thinking Plague
  11. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
  12. Paatos
  13. Taal
  14. Machine & The Synergetic Nuts
  15. Fantomas

And that's just off the top of my head! There's a lot of genuinely progressive rock out there - just accept that the genre has moved on since 1974 and open your mind and ears.

'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 15:28
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

  1. Guapo
  2. Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses
  3. Koenji Hyakkei
  4. Tortoise
  5. Explosions In The Sky
  6. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
  7. A Silver Mt Zion
  8. Sigur Ros
  9. Alamaailman Vasarat
  10. Thinking Plague
  11. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
  12. Paatos
  13. Taal
  14. Machine & The Synergetic Nuts
  15. Fantomas

And that's just off the top of my head! There's a lot of genuinely progressive rock out there - just accept that the genre has moved on since 1974 and open your mind and ears.

And a lot of those groups are on ProgArchives!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 15:53
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

99% of the people here need
to open their minds to new innovative music. spocks beard and flower
kings are not prog at all.
http://www.ipecac.com/
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WHAT?


Are you being sarcastic?


 


They are definitely prog


 


Modern prog is the only enthralling genre of music out today. 


 



Have you ever listened to Incubus' album Science? It's modern, not
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But glittering prizes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 16:53
I guess this all comes down to peoples indavidual tastes and what they want out of their music. If what you are looking for is bands/artist that brake new ground and progress in the truest senseof the word then you will have to look very hard for that, if what you want a highly creative band then there are lots of them about and if you want a technically proficiant band then there are even more of these. Like I said, it all comes down to what you want out of your music, If the Lost Chord only wants music from the 60's and 70's then thats his choice, I however looke for technical proficancy and creativaty and so take my choice from a wide range of music, with all bands that I hear for the first time held as equalls, weather there from 1976 or 2006.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 17:56
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

  1. Guapo
  2. Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses
  3. Koenji Hyakkei
  4. Tortoise
  5. Explosions In The Sky
  6. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
  7. A Silver Mt Zion
  8. Sigur Ros
  9. Alamaailman Vasarat
  10. Thinking Plague
  11. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
  12. Paatos
  13. Taal
  14. Machine & The Synergetic Nuts
  15. Fantomas



Great list!

I really need to check out Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Thinking Plague ...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 07:59
Anyone who thinks prog died in the 70s needs to hear the new Tangent album.
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