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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 15:44
Bunka calls his music "afghani punk". it is a mixture of jazz-rock, kraut and ethnic music (like Afghan music, for example). definitely prog. I'd put him into the same category as Embryo, the band he belonged to first. if you want information about his albums I'll gladly provide it.
by the way, I suggest a new kind of prog category, which is completely different from anything else. I'd call it "prog audio play". Bunka and his Korean wife Grace Yoon have taken part in several of them. one is "Goldberg: Ein Dutzend Täuschungen" by Maria Volk, music by Uli Bassenge (of Embryo). definitely worth listening to for all prog fans. Holger Czukay was part of that project too as well as Austrian nonsense poet and experimental lyricist Ernst Jandl.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 16:16
I'm not a big fan of the Zeppelins, Maidens and Doors being added.  But to play devil's advocate, how many guys are out there like me who are over 40 years old, loved prog back in the day and now think it is only a distant memory.  They have given up on the idea of there still being good music being made.  They have no idea of the great big world of prog that is still out there.  Maybe they stumble across PA because they are looking for the stalwarts of the 70's, be they prog, PP or PR.  If they have an open mind and an attention span longer than a 3-yr old's, they can find a lost world right here.  That could only be a good thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 18:30
Two points:
 
1. Please... make the home-page prog... the "most popular album", the first thing a visitor sees, should be 100% prog, not THE WHO... (maybe irrelevant but for those who want this site not to lose credibility, start by "looking like prog", then we can "be prog")
 
2. Controversial additions:  
Deep Purple
Led Zeppelin
Queen
The doors
The Who
Iron Maiden
...let's add some 10 that I don't remember now....
 
Now.... TOTAL BANDS IN PA:    2941
              ULTRA CONTROVERSIAL BANDS: 10
 
             PROTO AND RELATED BANDS: 134 + 27 = 161
 
161 = 5% (aprox) of 2941
 
Should be really make such a problem about this?
 
My irrelevant opinion (if there is one in the post...)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 18:42
here are some videos of Echo City. very avantgarde indeed


here are some Echo City videos spanning a period from 1987 to 1999






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 19:41
The T, this thread is almost an eyn-opener, why should I worry while so many progheads on this site are pleased with the current situation, it's OK to me, I keep on reviewing lesser and unknown progrock bands instead of creating threads like this, thanks, I would like to close this thread, let's focus on reviewing lesser and unknown progrock bands Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 20:20
As long as we continue being the best site for obscure, unknown bands, the only site where many fans will find information about their ignored-by-mainstream artists, we'll be alive, I think. If we add a couple (well, like 10) groups that have been important for prog, it's not so bad as long as we continue being PROG-FIRST... (for example, I insist with the "most popular album" not being taken from related or proto, as that would give a wrong impression to a visitor), there's nothing to worry, I guess. The problem would really exist if we started ONLY to review and talk about The Who and stuff....
 
Even in this forum... it's true that we have like 5 The Who polls and threads going on... but wait.... The Who just were added! In a few days the fuzz will be over....
 
I will say something different: the TRUE enemy of the more obscure bands in the forum (not in the site in general) are bands like Jethro Tull... we can't discuss about obscure bands (well those who know them... usually I don't LOLEmbarrassedCryBig%20smile) if every day there's a new "best outfit Ian Anderson wore in a rainy day" poll or "thick as a brick vs aqualung" thread... As of lately, Jethro Tull PAWNS Dream Theater 5 to 1 in polls and threads relative to them.... So instead of blaming The Who or MAiden WHO HAVE THEIR OWN PROG-RELATED ND PROTO LOUNGE, blame the people (sometimes me included, of course) who just want to discuss Tull, Dt, Genesis, Yes and Crimson OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 21:17
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well I say ELO needs re-instalment in Art Rock


ahhh..

don't worry about that...  we aren't the only ones LOL  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 21:23
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

let's focus on reviewing lesser and unknown progrock bands Thumbs%20Up

Now we're talking!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 21:45
^ the T, 100 % agreed,  there's enough room  here on the forums to discuss other material, three symphonic threads  are here at the moment, Rio and Post rock also have a well visited appreciation thread. They have a rather limited number of people going there though.

A lot of others here keep rehashing well known facts and opinions about well known bands  on and on and on. Not that interesting to me but i'm not alone here and anyone is free to do what he likes here. As T accurately noticed these  discussions are far more dominating  than comments about the new prog related additions like the Who, Doors etc

Fact is a lot of people like to go with what they know and like without looking too much further,  one argument that annoys me though  is that some  people claim that albums of lesser known bands can't be purchased or have to cost 50 dollars or more, this is clearly not true if they employ  a somewhat more adventurous mind to it they'll find it easy to get these albums. Ask Erik (or even me).
 
BTW, i do think that prog related bands should not be featured in prog  top 100 or as most popular album of the week.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 21:50
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well I say ELO needs re-instalment in Art Rock


ahhh..

don't worry about that...  we aren't the only ones LOL  

You sure? i've always thought of ELO as a classical rock band also after i came here, far better than most art rock bands i know surely but that doesn't make them art rock.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 22:08
Originally posted by Dirk Dirk wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well I say ELO needs re-instalment in Art Rock


ahhh..

don't worry about that...  we aren't the only ones LOL  

You sure? i've always thought of ELO as a classical rock band also after i came here, far better than most art rock bands i know surely but that doesn't make them art rock.


very sure Wink   If you are going to simplify like that....  so was ELP LOL.  Being better is subjective of course... but they fit prefectly into AR.. prog.. and they had multiple influences that they fused into a style that was completely recognizable as their own. 4 prog albums and elements of prog into their next several... no reason at all to be in PR.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 08:12
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Bunka calls his music "afghani punk". it is a mixture of jazz-rock, kraut and ethnic music (like Afghan music, for example). definitely prog. I'd put him into the same category as Embryo, the band he belonged to first. if you want information about his albums I'll gladly provide it.
by the way, I suggest a new kind of prog category, which is completely different from anything else. I'd call it "prog audio play". Bunka and his Korean wife Grace Yoon have taken part in several of them. one is "Goldberg: Ein Dutzend Täuschungen" by Maria Volk, music by Uli Bassenge (of Embryo). definitely worth listening to for all prog fans. Holger Czukay was part of that project too as well as Austrian nonsense poet and experimental lyricist Ernst Jandl.
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Write up a bio, PM it tome and I'll open up the page (and credit you for the bio) then you can add the albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 10:13
So Sean, this thread will lead to the addition of former Embryo artist Bunka by Baldfriede, end good, all good Wink !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 13:16
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Dirk Dirk wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Well I say ELO needs re-instalment in Art Rock


ahhh..

don't worry about that...  we aren't the only ones LOL  

You sure? i've always thought of ELO as a classical rock band also after i came here, far better than most art rock bands i know surely but that doesn't make them art rock.


very sure Wink   If you are going to simplify like that....  so was ELP LOL.  Being better is subjective of course... but they fit prefectly into AR.. prog.. and they had multiple influences that they fused into a style that was completely recognizable as their own. 4 prog albums and elements of prog into their next several... no reason at all to be in PR.


Afterall you might be right Micky, i'm somewhat better acquainted with later Elo (A new world record and later). From the earlier albums i have Eldorado and The day the lights went out on palm beach. I also have some compilations so i know songs like Showdown, Roll over beethoven and a few others but not the whole albums. So i'll get back to you on this once i've found these earlier albums.

My (indeed subjective) remark about Elo being better than most AR says more about Elo than AR, Elo's  just one of my favorite bands.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 15:03
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

. 4 prog albums and elements of prog into their next several... no reason at all to be in PR.


Ouch <-- self inflicted black eye. For a second I thought you wrote 'no reason at all to be in PA'...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 13:56
While I said that I don't mind The who or other bands being here (nor would I SabbathTongue), I DO MIND about our top-100 showing those artists also....
 
Let me get that straight: people have said both the "most popular album" and the "top-100" are useless... Ok, AGREED.
 
Now, people have said we don't want to lose credibility and that some newbies may be scared away from PA if they only see The Who and other non-prog bands....
 
But, the first things a visitor will se are: Most popular album (The Who)...Top-100 artists: even before DREAM THEATER AND GENTLE GIANT: The Who... Deep Purple....
 
So, what's the story then?
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