KC: In The Wake Of Poseidon
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Topic: KC: In The Wake Of Poseidon
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: KC: In The Wake Of Poseidon
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 09:09
| The follow up to ItCotKC, In The Wake is viewed as a b*****d stepchild but I find that it has many charms. |
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 09:14
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One of my favorites by them.....I like the fact it is similar to the first. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 15:25
| it's pretty good, especially "Cadence and Cascade" and the title track |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 15:46
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It definitely has its charms - but it was a bit of comedown from the debut though. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 16:22
Love it just as much as ITCOTCK  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 16:28
| Cadence and cascade best song worst cat food my opinion only,the rest i can take it or leave it |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 16:54
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I like it a lot. It does lose some points for being a bit of an imitator of the first but I really think it's pretty under rated over all actually. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone on here knows why the Greg Lake version of Cadence and Cascade wasn't used? I think the album would sound more cohesive if all the songs were by the same singer. Yes, even if they had Jon Anderson sing on one of them, which they of course did on Lizard, I would still feel that way.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 18:46
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Well... is it a good album and do I like to listen to it? Yes, absolutely! But does it belong to the amazingly long list of really innovative and top exciting KC albums? Rather not. The title track and Cadence and Cascade are very good but in the innovation and excitement dept. the leading track is The Devil's Triangle. ITCOTKC and Lizard have much more to offer in that respect.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 19:11
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Their best. 50% better than first album. More to date, better composition, better sound, better playing. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 21:31
| I really only like the title song on this one, while I do love the debut. I do find Wake of Poseidon to have made a point of including equivalents of each song from the previous albums, and I do find every equivalent to be inferior... except perhaps to the title song, which is great (but even so, I do like Epitaph better, and Court of the Crimson King at least as good). |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 10 2018 at 22:40
Not in the drumming department. The Mike Giles drumming sounds sloppy on Wake compared to Court.
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dr prog wrote:Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 03:37
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It has charm, but it's definitely in the second division of KC albums ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 06:12
| It is my favorite KC album, and has a very special atmosphere about it. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 06:40
The break on ITWOP is mellotronic beauty, perhaps my favorite KC passage, but once the third verse begins it's all downhill
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 06:46
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Good album, but not among my favourites of theirs, and notable in the 1969-1974 output for not showing very much creative development from the previous album. Perhaps it's harsh to consider that a criticism when so many bands just remake the same album for their entire career, but Fripp & co. would go on to set themselves a high bar in that regard. The oh-so-cheesy use of Holst's Mars was a horrible error of taste, I've always thought. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 06:59
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Cadence is a killer track. Underrated recording for me. I'll give it a listen through once or twice a year or so. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 12:24
Sounds good to me. I wonder why the first album is rated like it is. Sounds too dated and the band is a bit raw with their composition ideas ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: GrafHaarschnitt
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 12:36
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The jazz break on Pictures Of A City is one of the most catchy sections King Crimson ever produced and far superior to the beginning line of the schizoid jazz section. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 16:15
Correct. I also love Cadence, Posiedon and Cat food. Groon is fun and Triangle interesting. The songs are a step up from Court album. Lizard is similar to Posiedon but Haskell's voice sounds horrible on games and family. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 20:11
I actually like their use of Mars on their early live shows, with the original line-up... though I do prefer it over it's use on this album. On the other hand, I believe their fame of not repeating themselves and always being creative is a bit exagerated... I mean, it's true, up to a point, but on the other hand, once making Schizoid Man, and later the Larks tongues in Aspic songs (specially part 2), they did repeat that formula, or that set of mind, on almost every album at least for a few songs. Unfortunatley, they did drop the attempt at writing songs like Epitaph, Court, and Poseidon, or even Starless, and even sooner they dropped trying to make songs like I talk to the Wind and Cadence and Cascade. |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 20:32
| Fripp himself has said that once the band that played on the first album broke up, he knew that the follow up could only be second-best or the wrong means to an end. Poseidon has some great music. Pictures of a City, Cadence and Cascade, the title track, are all great (and Cat Food and Groon!). However, the best versions of each of these songs is actually found on the live recordings that were released as part of the Epitaph box sets. For me the worst is Devil's Triangle. Crimson was playing a live version of Mars (from Holst 'The Planets') in their gigs, and it was great. He changed it slightly for the Poseidon album, adding these awful silence-breaks in between the sections, so that it he could re-name it (assumedly so as not to infringe copyright or something). It is so much weaker than the live Mars versions. So, great songs, but these are second-best versions of tunes played best by the former version of Crimson. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 21:10
I read somewhere that "Fallen Angel" was the last KC song to feature acoustic guitar. Fripp's unique acoustic style was one of the reasons I fell in love with a bunch of early KC songs. That gone, along with a focus on harder edged stuff, made me less and less of a fan as time went by.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 21:19
Yeah the best songs on red, larks and starless are night watchman, book of Saturdays and exiles imo. Not that fond of the heavy stuff from those 3 apart from the instrumentals. I really think Wettons voice doesn't sound good at all when he screams a bit. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 21:26
| ^ Yeah agreed about those songs. I know they couldn't keep doing Epitaph and the Court over and over, and they were evolving, but, I mean, "Cirkus" was to me, an example of a direction they could have taken and didn't. That is a full fledged masterpiece and the stuff he does on his acoustic guitar blew my young mind without drugs |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 11 2018 at 21:36
Yeah I like the jazz era crimson. They continued with Islands. I would have preferred Lizard and Islands with Lake on vocals. Haskell's voice isn't suited to Crimson. He does a great job on his solo It is and it isn't from the same year though. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 12 2018 at 20:46
| ^ I would actually have loved Lake to keep on singing through the 70's... I'm not really a fan of John Wetton singing, and I can only imagine how beautiful things like Exiles and Starless would have sounded with him on vocals. But for bass I do prefer Wetton... what he did with Bruford on their live version of Schizoid Man is just fantastic. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 13 2018 at 01:01
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I think ITWOP is marginally better than the debut. That is to say, simply enjoy it a little more. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 13 2018 at 01:40
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I love it! If it was follow up album from some obscurer band we wouldn't be having this endless discussion about how parts resembles their debut. We would have just enjoyed another album packed with more great music. I think Devil's Triangle is a wonderfully eerie tale turning into a nightmare in sound. I much prefer it to Holst-or a Holst cover-version. All the songs here are greatly crafted and unique experiences. The title track is about as beautiful as prog can get. Why not just enjoy it? Would you be unable to look at a painting by an artist you like if it had areas that resembled an earlier work? Could you not enjoy literature that revisits similar themes as the authors former book? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 13 2018 at 21:28
| ^ I don't mind it being similar to the debut, it's just that the only song I really enjoy in this one is the title track, the rest just don't do much for me. Either if I compare them with their counterparts from the debut or just listen to the album without thinking of the previous one. |