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Topic: Most Influential Band w/ Small Body of Work
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Most Influential Band w/ Small Body of Work
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 00:27
Band or Artist

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 00:45
Sex Pistols (1 album)
Television (3 albums)
Syd Barrett (2 Albums)
Joy Division (2 albums)
Fire Engines (1 album)
Thunderclap Newman (1 album)
Hermann Szobel (1 album) Austrian pianist and composer, recorded when he was just 18 years old
The United States of America (1 album)
Maxophone (2 albums)
Nick Drake (3 albums)
Mike Taylor (2 albums) English jazz pianist and composer


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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 00:55
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Syd Barrett (2 Albums)



I don't wanna split hairs, but I think Pink Floyd was the actual influence, as opposed to his solo stuff, but its just an opinion; we can't accurately gauge this. I think even after Pipers, their future acceleration (and influence) helped Syd, and so did Pink Floyd (maybe out of guilt?). Even the few music fans I know (not here) seem to like the idea of Syd; the LSD, mental breakdown, without knowing the music. I liked "Dominoes" (w/ David Gilmour on drums). It was nice that Syd wanted Roger and David to produce his first one, despite the awkward break-up.


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 00:59
Harmonium had an enourmous impact on the culture of Québec with their 3 albums released in the mid-seventies (74-76).

Une légende musicale and a social phenomenon that still resonates 45 years later.

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 02:50
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Sex Pistols (1 album)
Television (3 albums)
Syd Barrett (2 Albums)
Joy Division (2 albums)
Fire Engines (1 album)
Thunderclap Newman (1 album)
Hermann Szobel (1 album) Austrian pianist and composer, recorded when he was just 18 years old
The United States of America (1 album)
Maxophone (2 albums)
Nick Drake (3 albums)
Mike Taylor (2 albums) English jazz pianist and composer

I don't think I can argue #1.


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 03:58
Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Syd Barrett (2 Albums)



I don't wanna split hairs, but I think Pink Floyd was the actual influence, as opposed to his solo stuff, but its just an opinion; we can't accurately gauge this. I think even after Pipers, their future acceleration (and influence) helped Syd, and so did Pink Floyd (maybe out of guilt?). Even the few music fans I know (not here) seem to like the idea of Syd; the LSD, mental breakdown, without knowing the music. I liked "Dominoes" (w/ David Gilmour on drums). It was nice that Syd wanted Roger and David to produce his first one, despite the awkward break-up.


Floyd post Syd are clearly a massive influence on thousands of artists, so no argument from me there. I've included 'Syd post Floyd' due to his enduring influence as a songwriter, which you can hear in the work of Ray Davies, Pete Townshend, Kevin Ayers, Marc Bolan, Robert Smith, Robin Hitchcock, Oasis, Jesus & Mary Chain, Wire, Julian Cope, Bowie, Daevid Allen, Damned, Zombies, Blur, Andy Partridge (Dukes of Stratosphear), Banshees, the list goes on.....
I agree that there's a stubborn misunderstanding at the heart of the Syd cult: As if mind altering substances can mine talent that never existed in the first place and that madness is somehow glamorous: that external chemicals beget a muse that can be coaxed into taking possession of your soul for benign purposes. You cannot score talent and the sobering reality is that thousands of (surviving) musicians have testified that drugs don't facilitate the creative process but merely provide a surrogate for a mundane reality the user cannot handle.


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Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 04:33
Neu! (3 albums that were really variations on just the 1)

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 05:12
Notorious B.I.G. (2 albums while alive)
Silver Apples (2 albums prior to their 30 year hiatus)


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 07:40
Cream. I am surprised no-one mentioned them yet


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 08:20
Jimi Hendrix

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 08:39
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Sex Pistols (1 album)
Television (3 albums)
Syd Barrett (2 Albums)
Joy Division (2 albums)
Fire Engines (1 album)
Thunderclap Newman (1 album)
Hermann Szobel (1 album) Austrian pianist and composer, recorded when he was just 18 years old
The United States of America (1 album)
Maxophone (2 albums)
Nick Drake (3 albums)
Mike Taylor (2 albums) English jazz pianist and composer

Nice listing ... 
Sex Pimples .... media craze. Not music! (Guy Guden's version was much better!)

Syd Barrett ... a bunch of wanna be musicians, trying to turn Syd's words into a regular blues/rock song and the idea failed and flopped, and Syd looked worse and sick! Saddest thing ... what PF had done earlier to color his songs, was gone, lost and forgotten forever! Nothing like putting someone in a coffin before they were dead!

Thunderclap Newman ... I always thought that this guy was much more talented than he was given credit for ... but being a sort of protege for some other famous people, always means ... you're nothing without us! I always loved the one song he is best known for, and sadly, how it is remembered in THE MAGIC CHRISTIAN ... still a great song!

Nick Drake ... the one folk/rocker that no one knows or has heard ... I think (have to listen to it again ... it's been 30 years!) that he was quite psych in those days, and if I am not silly, that he was a sort of reincarnation of Syd ... but the fame side never really took off and I don't think people took his work seriously at all ... he was really nice to listen to and appreciate ... but the lyrics will throw off these "pop-musak'rs" around here! Compared to Syd, he was not as theatrical and a bit more musical ... Syd's phrasing was about the words and the story telling, not the singing, and this is huge in a lot of folks way of doing their thing ... I think that Nick might have been taken more seriously if he actually believed and felt like Syd did in his own material ... you and I fell for those stories so fast ... you could not help falling for them! Nick's words and singing, was not as clear and open a story to take you away, and I think that made him a bit more under the radar ... and then a Peter Hammill like person shows up and he is all about the words and his feelings, and forget singing ... notes are for the folks that can't sing!


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 08:46
Henry Cow, Hatfield & the North

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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 08:53
Velvet Underground
Eric Dolphy
MC5
Duane Allman

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 08:54
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Henry Cow, Hatfield & the North

That whole English scene that got its (apparent) first cry with things like THIRD EAR BAND, LOL COXHILL and many others, all deserve a nod ... they were totally different and out there, and I am not sure that anyone thought it meant anything ... except just a bunch of weirdo's.

At least in the case of TEB, it made sense that they were (supposedly) playing the music exactly the same as it was like 400 years ago, when no one knew anything about music, and songs were not an issue, and the whole thing lived for a few moments only ... and of course, us, a rock audience, hearing this stuff would go ... wtf is that supposed to be?

And that scene continued past Dagmar and many others ... and they all did some very nice and far out things ... and it's just a shame that "progressive" does not have an ear for different feelings in music, with different instruments ... and no blue guitars or fancy organ synthesizers! Tongue


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 09:24
Nick Drake, Joy Division & Third Ear Band are very good shout outs.

How about Comus? Genre defining.

Dzyan, Gila.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 10:03
The Stooges


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 12:15
the Hollies

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 12:28
Velvet Underground
The Smiths
New York Dolls
The Sex Pistols
Tool


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 14:20
The Crszy World of Arthur Brown - Fire, though stil active, it took him one song to become a legend and hes sort of regarded as a on chit wonder

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 18:16
doh... BLUE f**kING CHEER...  in fact..  that is a thread win there for the Big Mick for the massive influence they had on a soon to come genre. .and pretty much all the 1000's of groups that played it.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 18:45
Good call on Blue Cheer. I'd add MC5.

Velvet Underground are the classic example, supposedly everyone who saw them formed a band.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 19:55
ahhh.. good call stealing my thread win .. the V.U. might just max everyone on influence.. everyone but perhaps Blue Cheer for shear impact and influence .. Low sales for the group..  likely truth though in that every one who did buy the album went out and started a group.. but possibility DQ'd for the small discography part...  most of these bands had an album or two before fading into relative obscurity. They had 5... 

the MC5? Another good one.. not exactly my cup of tea nor the future groups and artists they did heavily inspire.. but definitely were overlooked until you mentioned them as heavy hitters in the huge influence.. little career category


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:09
^ You might want to try reading the first page of this thread.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:14
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ You might to try reading the first page of this thread.

Ok I second your earlier vote then! LOLWink


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:17
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ You might want to try reading the first page of this thread.

hahah.. can you blame me for missing mere mortals when the first and ONLY thing I saw in your post was a f**king spot on mention of Duane Allman.  The rest was just.. characters in a sea of hoo hummity...


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:22
The Allmans with Duane were a far different band than what they became later. With Duane they were a blues/jazz fusion band, after Duane left they became 'southern rock', but there is actually very little rock with the early Allmans with Duane, they mostly swing the blues.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:33
actually that was phase 2..  adding them John..  however the bloodbath that was Steely Dan ended drove me away from first genre team work than later the site for some years. I think you were around.. it was brutal and personal and I didn't need that in my life. 

you find those ABB albums reviewed and highly regarded on jazz sites and for good reason.. Dowd called the Fillmore album one of the greatest jazz rock fusion albums ever recorded. It won the Downbeat album of the year in '71 IIRC.  They played jazz rock with the blues .. but used the blues or old staples as the canvas.

They could have. should have. and would have been added.  I had talks with Martin about them..  I would have got them added.. and been knifed and gut shot again.. but it would have been worth it.  A very misunderstood and mislabbled band IMO. I was a strong believer in the education side of the site once.. back in those days.  When inspired.. I can review the f**k out of an album and would have fully explained.. as I did with teh SD reviews.. why they do belong and the stupid lables and misconceptions that even supposedly music literate proggies may have.. are simply bullsh*t


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:39
Those two live albums are great, they also do a fair share of JBs style funk jazz too.
I remember when the ABBs without Duane released Ramblin Man, it was ok, but you knew that band would never be the same again, and that song started the whole 'southern rock' thing, not the early ABB.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:44
I'd suggest U.K.    First of the prog "super-groups" to form in the late 1970s, they only had two studio LPs and some live releases.  We still talk about them to this day, and they seem to have had an influence on later bands such as GTR, Asia etc. 

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:46
remember.. Dickey was always more into country while Duane was the jazzer.  A potent and incredibly creative mix.. but yeah when Duane was lost they their real creative drive and wasn't a surprise they veered more into 'southern rock' Though even then at least they never became like... umm..  Skynyrd that I simply have NO time for whatever and never have for a number of reasons which I suspect you might guess at correctly.  




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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 21:43
Eric Clapton rolled them out with regularity:
The Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton (1 album)
Cream (4 albums)
Blind Faith (1 album)
Derek and the Dominos (1 album)




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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 22:10
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

doh... BLUE f**kING CHEER...  in fact..  that is a thread win there for the Big Mick for the massive influence they had on a soon to come genre. .and pretty much all the 1000's of groups that played it.

I thought of Blue Cheer (and Iron Butterfly too)but they both put out albums into the seventies. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 22:11
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Good call on Blue Cheer. I'd add MC5.

Velvet Underground are the classic example, supposedly everyone who saw them formed a band.

That was a sort of tongue and cheek comment made by someone(I forgot who)that wasn't really meant to be taken literally but just to drive home the point that relatively few people bought their album initially.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 22:13
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd suggest U.K.    First of the prog "super-groups" to form in the late 1970s, they only had two studio LPs and some live releases.  We still talk about them to this day, and they seem to have had an influence on later bands such as GTR, Asia etc. 

Prog bands seem to have limited influence outside of the prog world so typically they don't spring to mind first for me when I hear the word "influential." However, I do think UK are very important and do fit the bill for a prog band with a small body of work. Were they influential outside of our relatively small prog fan base? No, probably not.


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 14 2019 at 23:24
Buddy Holly

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 15 2019 at 00:44
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd suggest U.K.    First of the prog "super-groups" to form in the late 1970s, they only had two studio LPs and some live releases.  We still talk about them to this day, and they seem to have had an influence on later bands such as GTR, Asia etc. 

Prog bands seem to have limited influence outside of the prog world so typically they don't spring to mind first for me when I hear the word "influential." However, I do think UK are very important and do fit the bill for a prog band with a small body of work. Were they influential outside of our relatively small prog fan base? No, probably not.

Well....I saw UK in concert on July 17, 1978 in Chicago, with local power pop/new wave band "Off Broadway" opening.  Talk about a mismatch!  The crowd was pumped for some power-prog, but the "twee" band Off Broadway was treated horrendously and basically chased off the stage!  (pity, as I'm friends with the bassist of Off Broadway!).  So, in that limited sense, I'd say that yes, UK were influential on that one band!  



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