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Topic: Applying ratings
Posted By: Proggle
Subject: Applying ratings
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 12:39
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I am thinking about posting a review and have been wondering if there is any core wisdom on how to interpret the ratings descriptors relative to subgenres or the site as a whole. Specifically, the descriptor for 5* is "Essential: a masterpiece of rock music". There are many albums under "Progressive Electronic" that I think it would be a real stretch to describe as "rock" or essential to rock, though I affirm the rationale for them being genetically related to "prog" and they might be excellent on their own terms. So I think there's a difference between "essential to a progressive rock collection" and "a masterpiece of a very specific subgenre" (like ambient). Even more specifically I am looking at an album listed here that is very clearly electronic ambient/drone, in my view brilliant, yet it feels weird to claim that it's an essential rock album. (However brilliant it is on its own terms, skipping it can hardly mean the same thing in terms of a prog collection as, say, skipping Close to the Edge, because the subgenre is more peripheral.) I know reviewers are all making their own choices, and that any rating system is weird, but as someone considering being a new reviewer I am curious whether there is any established wisdom as to whether "essential" is supposed to mean "essential to progressive rock in general" or "essential to the specific subgenre"? Is it meant to be about relevance or just quality? That way maybe I can contribute minutely to order rather than chaos when I rate :-). |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 15:29
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^ I used to consider the relevance of the rating standard guidelines when reviewing on PA. Later I just pretty much said what I thought. It depends on whether you believe a reader will purchase or avoid an artist's work based on your opinion. Of course these days it barely matters because they can listen to almost anything on Youtube or elsewhere before paying for it. The standard for adding an artist here is still fairly conservative--- it has to be progressive, it has to be rock (even electronic), it has to have been released on a proper medium. So there are safeguards against something that is not prog-rock or not professionally presented. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 18:06
| Thanks. I figured there was a lot of individual difference in approach. I do find myself using rating average to scan the discographies of artists to decide where to dive in. And with some of the albums I am considering reviewing there are no prior reviews. Maybe the best tack is just to make sure the rationale is explicit in the review. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 19:05
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^Yeah you can use a rationale for a while, but eventually you should find your own voice and avoid qualifying or apologizing--- It's what you think and you should stand by it, otherwise it can come off as half-assed, y'know like : "It's just my opinion, but..." If you know rock and you know music, forget that it's your opinion. Just have at it and screw what someone might think. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 20:23
Ha ha, bold and invigorating advice :-). Thanks! |
Atavachron wrote:Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 07 2025 at 23:31
| 5* is a masterpiece of progressive rock music. So we are talking about any genre that is recognised on PA and that includes Progressive Electronic. OK it may not rock as such but then neither does Harmonium and they are here as well. For that matter there is Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom and tons of other great stuff that doesn't have to rock (even Tales From Topographic Oceans lol). It's more about your feelings and passion. If I like something a lot then it's 5 stars. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 05:45
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In my mind and intentions, a 5-star "masterpiece" is top 5 percent. Not if I like the album, which 3-4 stars do a great job of handling, but it also has to be something I consider absolutely essential/universal/iconic to sit on the "top five percent shelf" of my collection. I am attempting to follow in the shoes of Hugues, who I've long considered the PA reviewer who rates albums in the best, optimal way, closest to the actual spirit of the stars definitions intent. If my math is correct, looking at Hugues 3000-plus reviews to date, 4.5 percent of them are 5-star. That's awesome and useful to me. I know when he rates something 5, it means something special and well beyond excellent. Four stars is "excellent," which comfortably handles most of the great albums. That extra star needs to mean something well beyond excellent. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 06:31
I agree. I don't think you can call an album "essential" outside of it's subgenre, as many people simply don't like that genre, and it would be ludicrous to suggest to them that they should own or listen to that album because it is universally "essential". It may be deemed essential only within the subgenre. ------------- "Instrumental music is an expression that words can never capture." -- Peter Baumann |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 08:31
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Hi, I was wondering what would happen if the "ratings" were completely removed ... it would force the "review" to be better worded and applied, instead of some sort of album plug, that happens with the ratings much too often. Maybe we should enforce a completely different idea ... a new user/reviewer can not do "ratings" until after their 5th or 6th review ... and that might give some of those folks something to think about ... 5 reviews under the same name for the same album and band? Not likely to get very far! Preventing any newbie to add reviews simply to advertise the band, would help in one way ... make the reviews more important all around, and likely flush out a lot of stuff that is over rated and just spam for a band, or a listing. It might also help the Admins, in not having to check 17/18 reviews every day that border on the spam side of things. As wide open as things are at this time, the invitation is to do whatever anyone can, and I'm not sure that we need to have things that wide open at all ... in order to be able to maintain the quality of the work ... even though some might think that it is too stuck up ... in essence it is protecting the work of hundreds of others from being left behind. A year ago I went over the reviews of one album and read over 50 of them ... and honestly? At least 10 of those should have been removed as they are not reviews! I'm not sure that we should be allowing what amounts to a bit of garbage onto the incredible amount of work it takes to make this board work ... we're adding more work that does not need to be there and can easily be addressed with some special needs ... and reviewers not able to rate anything until after their 5th review is a fair idea, even if some folks are not gonna like it ... let them go try and post somewhere else, where there are rules for the spamming of an album review as some listings on PA obviously are! I wish there was a way to have folks at PA actually take a look at the suggestions, but when it comes to Mosh, I think most collaborators probably look at something else. It's ok ... I don't mind being the ugly duckling ... remembering that the bass in the lake don't care when momma and all the ducklings go for their first swim! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 08:55
DPRP has just done away with album ratings. They will review only from now on. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 09:04
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In reality there are very few "Essential" albums over the long haul. Many albums deemed essential by a few raters have been long forgotten over the years. Unfortunately an album only truly becomes essential after never-ending Sales and long term interest. I have many albums I call Essential that no one else has probably ever heard of. I've given 5 stars to many albums. It's more of a 'personal taste' rating. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 13:43
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Still following this with interest - thanks for the suggestive discussion. FWIW, as a would-be newbie reviewer, the writing is more interesting to me than the ratings, and delaying the ability to rate would not scare me off at all, but if there are ratings I do welcome there being a scale that is not just "I like this right now," even though personal judgements will inevitably vary. I tend to agree that "essential" is not that common in the larger scheme of things (@Valdez) and is necessarily relative to subgenre (@wiz_d_kidd). One of the albums I want to review is essential to me and currently has no ratings or reviews :-) - I am under no illusion that my enthusiasm confers cosmic significance. I do want to recognize all the work that has gone into this site and at least try to use the system in a way that aligns with the hopes already invested concerning how it is all supposed to work. If you really wanted to narrow the spread of review types I guess another way to turn the screws would be to have a forum thread for newbie reviews and require, say, 3 reviews deemed sentient by the mods before being cleared to add a review on the main site. It might take some tracking though. Regardless, I'm glad for the insights into how folk are thinking. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 08 2025 at 14:34
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^ It's really very cool that you're taking the site serious enough to be concerned with rating in the manner the founders intended, as opposed to what you see in some corners of the ratings universe, which is: I like it = 5 stars. Much of the internet seems to struggle with the idea of the middle ground, moderate ratings. Not so much here, but other places that rate. Kudos to you for caring.  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 02:09
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 02:58
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At AP we have a 0-100 scale, and 90-100 are labelled the "S-tier". When converting this to a five star rating only the S-tier results in five stars, whereas numerically you might expect 80-100 (one fifth). Then 80-89 maps to four stars. Then a comparatively large section (50-79) is mapped to three stars, 30-49 results in two stars, and anything less than 30 maps to one star. This non-linear mapping tries to reflect the significance we intuitively attribute to the stars: 5 stars: truly exceptional 4 stars: awesome 3 stars: decent/good, but not really great 2 stars: mediocre 1 star: bad ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 03:47
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^ As far as rating distribution goes, it depends a lot on which releases one chooses to rate. I guess that if one were to choose random releases, the result of a really "balanced" rater with no extreme biases would produce a bell curve like distribution with the peak at 30-50/100. This is simply because so much music is being released, and a lot of it is mediocre. It follows from the fact that it is now so easy to produce and release music. But most of us are not choosing albums randomly. We tend to focus on releases we love first and foremost, and then maybe also on popular releases we dislike and consider to be "overrated". As a result, most users skip those releases which would otherwise be at the peak of the bell curve. My guess for the most typical distribution of the "perfect" rater/review would be for it to peak in the four stars range, with very few five stars releases and fewer three star than four star releases and a few two stars ratings and again very few one star ratings. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 04:52
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Hi, Now I'm not sure ... I only rate "reviews" of mine, and never have rated another album at all ... which I would think is an area (if wide open) will be abused senselessly. Most of my reviews, these days, are on the Jazz Music Archives, where I am working on reviewing the large bunch of ECM stuff I have and other jazz/fusion related stuff. In general, on the rock side, there are so many reviews on some albums, that I do not feel that we need to add another review. I mean ... c'mon ... who's going to bother even checking 5 or 10 reviews of ITCOTCK or any other album? After a bit, I think it gets ridiculous, and honestly, I would prefer that someone could audit the reviews as some of them should not be there and considered "reviews" at all. But I'm a reviewer (over 600 art/foreign films), so saying that makes sense, but you're not gonna get me to review another Marvel Comic Book Review or another of those impossible bruhahas! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 07:34
Yes, this is a great point also and does affect things. In the past, I was buying and reviewing large swaths of stuff blindly, so I had much more 1-3 star reviews. Now, I have far less time for PA, and so I tend to just review the stuff which speaks to me in a positive way, thus almost everything I review is 3-4 stars. I'm still very stingy with that 5th star though. An album has to be basically offer me a cigarette afterwards in order to get the 5 from me. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 08:15
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Recently I listened to a new release that I loved ( which doesn’t happen very often ) and I gave it a 5 star rating. My opinion is that if YOU love it, why not give it a 5 or at least a 4. Someone else will come along and give it a 1 or 2…. You can count on it. After a year or two it will rise or drop into its proper place, or thereabouts. Some of the worlds greatest records are sitting at 3.75 - 4.00 after 50 years ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 08:29
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^ If you really LOVE it, of course you can give it five stars. You said it yourself, it doesn't happen often. Five stars (or S-tier at AP) is exactly for those releases. The only thing I would do in these cases: Follow up on them a few weeks after and see whether that loving feeling was a fluke or whether it is persistent. If it was a fluke, the rating should be adjusted. Sometimes the situation we're in when listening to music has a big effect on how we perceive it. Especially for first listen impressions, I've found that my opinion sometimes drastically changes on repeated listens, and I suspect that this is mostly due to changed circumstances. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 08:40
Hi, That's cheating ... mainly because tastes change with every generation, and folks today that like metal (example!) are not likely to vote favorably for the KC's first or ELP's first, for example, thus bringing down the numbers. In general, I would like to suggest that an album be available to rate for so many years, and then the rating ability closes, which would leave the albums with a much better rating than what has happened to many things since the 1970's and how their ratings have dropped. It's something that I'm not sure we can fix, unless we create some kind of a tool that adjusts for the WHEN an album is reviewed, with some kind of scale that won't allow a low rating to be accepted that is not normal, in the history of the film. Ex: Voting down Bela Lugosi's Dracula because it has no "action" and flying body parts! The same thing happens in film ... where many folks on the toma'toe thing have voted down David Lean and voted up the antics of that impossible clown finding more ways to give us a thrill!! I suppose their work will be remembered for the clever antics, and the other for its color and visual design. BUT, at least David Lean is discussed in Film Schools. I'm not sure that those other films will get that much recognition beyond the amount of money made! And, generally, that is not a theme for a class in most Film Studies schools. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 08:57
This is good advice. I once said I wouldn’t change ratings but I am re-thinking that statement lately. I never rate on headphones I never rate at low volumes I never rate on cheap speakers I always give a minimum of 2 listens ( which may not be enough, I know ) Sound quality and volume really can (drastically) change the way an album plays for me. Also, if an album is a painfully obvious 1 star for me, I have a good laugh and I don’t rate it at all. Others may love it!! You just never know. https://boosterhooch.bandcamp.com/album/should-i-freeze-my-eggs" rel="nofollow - Should I freeze my eggs ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 10:01
| Reviewing anything after one listen seems wrong. That's, among other things, when I am most susceptible to hearing the shadow of whatever I listened to last and consciously or unconsciously comparing it to that. It's also when I am least likely to understand what is going on the release - all I can really go on at that point is how it is tickling my senses, and that has a maximal chance of being temporary subjective reaction. |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 10:08
It can sometimes go the other way. I was born a little late to be a music fan in the 70s, but over the years I started to get tired of the production values of more recent music (which are sometimes maximum sound all the time) and started to really appreciate the sound palette of older material. Part of the appeal is that it doesn't sound like now. I don't know how common that is, but I can't be the only one. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 10:19
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^You're talking about the difference in analog vs. digital recordings. There are plenty of modern releases that sound stellar... Here's some artists off the top of my head Helmet of Gnats Thieves' Kitchen Big Big Train Mike Keneally Antoine Fafard French TV IZZ |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 10:33
Also, I think Roine Stolt is a very underappreciated mix engineer. Yes, he writes songs, sings and plays guitar, but don't forget that he did the mixing on most if not all of The Flower Kings albums. I think those mixes sound super crisp and are very nicely balanced. ------------- 
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Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 15:59
Well that's one difference, but not the one I had in mind. The post I was replying to was about people who like (e.g.) metal not being likely to approve of earlier prog, and that being tied to generational change. There's a big difference in the sonic experience of listening to, say, Meshuggah or Dream Theater and listening to Camel or Yes even if both are on digital. I came to prog late via (among other things) exposure to the creative fringes of heavier, more recent music, and at first I found some of the key 70s stuff sounded kind of thin (less huge low end or big crunchy riffs and chugs) but once I tuned in I found the older material refreshing. And when I went back to, say Liquid Tension Experiment it had become a little less simple to enjoy - it started to sound as if someone was throwing things at me. I still have time for both, but I'm glad I explored another palette. Of course I could have listened to folkier stuff from now and heavier stuff from the 1970s, and course there is plenty of stuff now that sounds good and is not trying to bludgeon me with sound and fury, my only point was that it is possible to "progress" from, say, Dream Theater or Liquid Tension Experiment to early Camel or Genesis, and not just the other way around. That's the way it happened for me. Maybe I'm weird. Anyway, obviously there is some generational change, but the directions of change are not guaranteed. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 09 2025 at 22:00
I read your review Proggle and it made me want to check the band out. Sounds like it’s up my alley as well. Very well written. Good command of the written word. Thanks!  Checked it out… may be more ambient & minimalist than Fripp enos equatorial stars. I’ll give it a better listen tomorrow morning. Holger Czukay did an ambient album in the same vein. I love this kind of stuff for relaxing. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 01:21
Why no headphones? I pretty much do all my listening on headphones for practical reasons, as long as it is good quality headpones, I don't see an issue  I think that two listens are ideal! You have a first listen impression, then after a short break doing other things, listening to other albums, you return once and listen to it again. It could be argued that 2-3 listens is the ideal time to rate a release. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 04:15
Hi, One of the things I mention a lot but no one gives a damn, is the series of RCA Red LABEL stuff that was done in the late 1960's and early 1970's and these things were the best recorded stuff anywhere, and the albums were released in a special packaging so you knew that this was treated differently and was not just another recording of the same thing. Guess where a lot of Abbey Road folks came from? Including Alan Parsons! Guess what he did with PF ... made it sound classical like the Red Seal albums! Recording, today, is a lost art, and will probably come around in 20 to 30 more years when the DAW craze finally dries up and folks start realizing that just because they got a DAW, they do not have, necessarily, a work of art. Today, folks do not know, or understand, much about the high level of the playing ability of a lot of music. Heck, my receiver was $400 dollars in 1976, and the ESS AMT 1 speakers were $750 each at that time, but when a turntable was added it was no big deal, until a Stanton 681EEE cartridge showed up ($375 then) ... and all of a sudden you have a monster of a stereo sound that headsets and regular speakers and the average household anything these days, will not even come close to the experience of the stuff ... and folks think it's the LP ... it isn't!!!!! IT ISN'T! But the quality of the work that we generally hear (tube for the most part in the Internet) is not a good take on quality, and I seriously doubt that many folks have any idea, and for that they call me stuck up because I still have a stereo system that is above and beyond the quality of what the tube and spotify and bandcamp give you, which is garbage with fancy words to make you feel fine ... but why will they waste 1GiG of space on one band when they can still show it for one tenth that and the listener would NOT know the difference? And that is the part that hurts the most. The artistry is taken out intentionally! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 04:29
A nonsensical statement.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 04:42
The frame of reference is important here. Top 5% of all music? Of all prog? Of all prog I listen to, i.e., I'd be up for devoting enough time to? (Of course no answer is needed; I'm just saying it's not so easy. I absolutely see how some people can give, say, 30% 5 star ratings still sticking to some kind of 5% rule...) ------------- I make typos so you see I'm not a machine, but I may be a machine pretending to not be a machine. |
Posted By: Proggle
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 06:31
Thanks for reading! And I hope you like it - I think someone else finding something they like is a big part of the point of writing a review. As I get time I may pick away at some of the other Oöphoi stuff - there’s a bunch of never-reviewed albums there. Hymns is my favorite, though. I still wrestled with the stars thing. As someone else just posted, it’s the 5% of what question. Top 5% of prog? No. Top 5% of ambient? Maybe. Top 5% of my tastes? Sure. But it does seem worth being very stingy with 5 stars, so I went with the 5% of prog idea. Again as I get time and dive a little further into the forum history I’ll be curious to see if I can learn more about the principles on which ambient artists, especially recent ones, get included or not here. Is M. Geddes Gengras prog? Or Wil Bolton? I’ve never thought of them that way, but if Oöphoi is, maybe they are… (The 2300 albums I mentioned are just my ambient albums, so if ambient is prog……..) |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 06:38
I need to hear the music in the open air, quite loud, and have a practically deaf left ear. I do a lot of mixing and can’t use headphones for that either. I use headphones only when the wife is home because she is not too fond my music. Lol. A few years back I popped an eardrum and did not go to the doctor, I just lived with it. Then I made the HUGE mistake (a year later) of putting some ear cleaning drops in there and the pain was unbelievable. (Peroxide). I rushed myself to the doctor and was told I damaged the inner ear. Dumb. So I record everything in mono now and just pan tracks to the left and right with my DAW. 😆 like The Beach Boys used to do . Then I have Kalvin my son in law listen and make final adjustments to stereo effect. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 06:50
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BTW I think the sound quality of Bandcamp is excellent when I upload WAV. Files. If you upload mp3s you get what’s expected… an mp3. Even with a bad left ear I can notice the difference. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 07:11
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^ AFAIK you cannot upload mp3s to Bandcamp at all nowadays. It's because they provide different formats, so you need to provide the music as a lossless file which they then generate all the lossy formats from. Sorry to hear about your ear ... of course with any hearing impediment, even less dramatic ones, mp3s will sound much worse than lossless files because the psychoacoustic mechanisms no longer work. I have some tinnitus in my right ear, but so far it is not too bad. Fingers crossed ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 07:38
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Mosh…. I have heard you poo poo DAW,s several times but hardly anyone records on analog tape anymore. All of the remixes we hear (king crimson remasters for example) are mixed and mastered on DAWs to fantastic effect. David Singleton uses a laptop to mix and master with pro tools from what I’ve seen in pics. Steven Wilson uses a DAW in his bedroom . Digital recording has come a long way and the quality is superb. The ease of use and low cost makes it possible for guys like me to have a swing at making music. You still need to actually play the instruments . Personally I draw the line at using A.I. for any part of the processes. Many are embracing A.I. for mastering, and more. I don’t like it. But the future keeps coming. https://www.soundalgorithm.io/guides/what-is-a-daw/" rel="nofollow - What is a DAW ? ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 07:47
Of course you are right, I should have said , if one uploads junk then the playback will be junk. I love the sound of Bandcamp . I’ve uploaded a few things that were a bit quiet and never had a final mastering… and they sounded great! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 15:17
Hi, I'm not sure that what you suggest is what I had in mind ... the thought and idea of mine is not that a DAW is the problem ... it is NOT ... but the music has to exist in one's heart and mind, so the DAW can help it, for example, and I'm not sure that this is what is happening and too many times the DAW is the answer, not the music itself ... to me, it's not the same thing, or some kind of an idea like AI writing my story and I just fix it ... kinda impossible, since I come directly from the source, and my "DAW" afterwords cleans up the language, as needed. I have not had to do revisions and massive changes on a lot of my writing for 30 years, now. Heck, I don't think Picasso had a "revision" all his life, as it just became another work ... forget that one, and give it away! He'll have created something totally new and different, as it was his style and image. I suppose that I think that the most important part of it all is the person, the artist, and the DAW is one tool to help make it come alive, but it does not replace the person and shouldn't. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 16:04
Soundcloud did a really good job with the automatic mastering: https://soundcloud.com/mikeenregalia/earth-and-sky-mix-6" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/mikeenregalia/earth-and-sky-mix-6 ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 16:16
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Haha! I just rated your track today! I listened on Spotify though. I also rated subsounds atomic time (killer, loved it) but I accidentally logged in with my google and it listed me as anonymous user. I’ll have to pay attention. Google can really cause a lot of grief for us scatterbrains! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 10 2025 at 22:14
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^ Yes, I saw that, the Spotify track is a different version - the original is slower Feel free to submit the Subsounds blurb under your regular account, I can remove the other one. I can also merge them so you can always use the Google mail. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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