Jazz Metal
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Topic: Jazz Metal
Posted By: markosherrera
Subject: Jazz Metal
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 20:31
| THIS is a list(the first) of jazz metal bands,please comment |
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 20:47
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I don't think you should call these lists "jazz metal". Some of the groups could be classified as such, but even as a generalization, it's just too much of a poor description. You've got a mix of tech, progressive, and jazz-metal bands in there. Maybe i'm nitpicking though  Anyway, for this poll i'll have to vote Cynic. There are some impressive bands up there, but Cynic outshines them all. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 21:11
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Meshuggah. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! http://www.last.fm/music/Exerior" rel="nofollow - EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 12:35
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CYNIC
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Posted By: deathblack29
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 16:22
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The vote goes for Cynic it seems, but I will go for Ephel Duath. The Painter's Palette is one of my favourite albums. The mixing of extreme and clean vocals was amazing, as well as the overall musicianship., Unfortunately the clean vocals were missing in Pain Necessary To Know. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:08
Mark,almost all of the bands in this list are in the archives(quite a few added by the ever hard-working PMT   ),so this can go in Prog Polls. -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:10
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I would have a hard time choosing if Cynic wasn't on the list,but Cynic practically invented this type of music,and is the ONLY choice. ------------- |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:12
| Cynic definitely. Why isn't Atheist an option? Together, these two bands were really the first to blend jazz and extreme metal, which resulted in the death metal scene leaping forward in sophistication. Without these two bands, it's unlikely that even the mighty Death would have started making jazz death gems like Human and their magnum opus Sound of Perserverance. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:20
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I know Cynic are are thought of as jazz metal but that's always seemed odd to me in that they don't really incorporate jazz into the equasion except in the most tangential way. As well, Don Cab is Math Rock through and through, and Behold the Arctopus is Extreme-Tech. The artists that truly fuse jazz elements and metal would be Counter-World Experience, Planet X, and Sleep Terror among others. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 23:19
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Is this related to that article in the LA Times? Is it? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 23:30
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I didn't know there was such a thing. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 23:35
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Yeah, it was kind of interesting; mentioned Zappa and that dude from the Mahavishnu Orchestra (John MacLongawang or whatever), but no mention of Bobby Fripp! I find that criminal, since the phrase was "heavy metal jazz" was invented for the mid seventies Crimso period.
Actually, I invented the phrase to describe Ian Anderson's flute, but I digress. Here's a link:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-ca-jazzmetal29jul29,1,2468897.story?coll=la-entnews-music&ctrack=1&cset=true - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-ca-jazzmetal29jul29,1,2468897.story?coll=la-entnews-music&ctrack=1&cset=true ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 23:42
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Aghora ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 00:40
...Good one Kaz!!!!!!!------------- |
kazansky wrote:Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 00:42
| I think many of these bands more as technical prog, math metal, whatever, but not really as much jazz metal (there are a few though). When I think of Jazz Metal, I think of Planet X. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 00:45
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One of the bands on the list is as close to jazz/metal as you can get without being named Cynic,and it's the instrumental outfit Continuo Renacer. Check them out guys,AWESOME STUFF!!!!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 04:40
 ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 05:52
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Can't vote, as the first band to do it ain't there. Atheist. Death-jazz.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 07:19
I don't think Planet X is central to this sub genre of jazz rock fusion, however, they are within the accepted boundaries. Agree with others that some of the bands named are on the basis of extremely liberal interpretations - I bought a Spiral Archetectural album on the basis of a previous thread on this subject, and still trying to spot the jazz - above average guitarwork doesn't necessarily equate to jazz: do they improv? Instead I see reference points being for instance Panzerballett, Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts, Shaun Baxter, Jonas Hellborg's e and No Other World projects, a lot of Niacin, some of Gongzilla (e.g. their second album with Gary Husband providing to heavy edge), some of Firemerchants (several tracks on Landlords of Atlantis), Conrad Schrenk's Extravanganza, Steve Clarke's Network. Alkemy, Liquid Tension Experiment makes it too. On the basis of the recent live Jazz Pistols' album , I hear them as mainstream jazz rock fusion, and not particularly heavy nor metally. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Matteo
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 08:36
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I'll go with Ephel Duath..
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 10:06
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Behold... The Arcopus! I originally intended to vote for Ephel Duath, but BTA had 0 votes, so I chose them instead! ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 11:03
maudlin of the well. 
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Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 12:17
| Obviously ;-) WatchTower, Pioneers and fantastic, extremely unique musicians and great songwriting - and very techy but catchy, like "The Fall of Reason" or "Control and Resistance", I love how far they really are away from regular "heavy metal riffing" in most of their songs. It's just too bad that they still haven't made "Mathmatics", although Spastic Ink and Ron Jarzombeks solo stuff is great to bridge the time. |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 13:23
| Meshuggah |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 15:24
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What about Fredik Thordendal´s Special defects¿ That´s as Jazz and extreme metal as you can get
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 16:21
Ya, I'll agree with that....except I haven't heard of many of the bands you talked about (that may be the problem). The only bands I've really listened to here are Spiral Architect (not Jazz), Meshuggah (I guess some jazzy solos), LTE (jazz), and some others, but not those you discussed. Planet X is just what comes to my head because of the large amount of jazz I hear there and because it is metal.
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 00:13
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Canadian band Karcius surely has a lot of metal, a jazzier version of Planet X IMO. Meshuggah as Jazz-Metal? I really find it hard. LTE comes close because they do improvise and show some jazzy harmonic work (not as much as it is required but it's an acceptable amount), ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 08:53
I think that is a problem, the lack of familiarity with the 'wealth' of bands that are thought to fit into this category. As we pull band names out of the hat, some/many will be unknown to others. in part, such threads can provide a service i.e. recommendations of bands/albums. While we shouldn't get too carried away by categorisation, there is clearly a need for some consistency, for instance we seem to agree about lack of jazz in Spiral Architecture - hence inclusion under a list of metal jazz bands is doing a disservice to those using the list as a reference to expand their collection of metal jazz. Hence my list of what I hear as heavy jazz rock with a metal edge - "jazz" being a pretty important requirement here. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: August 05 2007 at 20:32
| Cynic is more jazzy and Focus seems to be one of the better albums....so they get it. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: August 05 2007 at 20:39
------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: August 05 2007 at 22:21
Estradasphere 
------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 07:01
| Have any of you heard Atheist's "Unquestionable Presence"? |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 07:08
sure have.. other than some uncut jazz parts, the rest is tech/thrash metal to me.. Excellent... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 09:26
It's a relief to know that, as there was just this huge tumbleweed blwing across my mention of Atheist.
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 10:02
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In no order.
Don Caballero
Estradasphere
John Zorn
Planet X
Behold...the Arctopus
Dillenger Escape Plan
Kayo Dot -------------  
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 16:53
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Sorry, double post, BAD WIRELESS!!!! ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 16:54
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Have any of you listened to Coprofago? They win this catagory hands down. They are really the only ones who hold up both ends of the criteria. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 09:24
Can't vote as atheist aren't on the poll =/
Yeah it's my favourite album lol
Yeah gotta give props to the first ever prog metal band, it's not particularly jazzy though, just technical. Also you guys should check out nekropsi, really good clean (for the most part) instrumental jazz/metal hybrid, really interesting stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: activetopics
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 09:33
| i need to get some of this stuff hehe |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 18:34
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Hm, I don't jazz-metal exists really, there're all technical metal bands, be it melodic, dissonant, etc. I don't know what happens, but when a metal bands turns up the volume of the bass guitar everyone thinks that's jazz and even fusion, metal is far far away from jazz, note that, is it jazz or metal, one at the time and never both. |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 18:42
When I first heard that album, I thought it was going to be better, or at least jazzy, but in reality it's not even close, it's again technical, complex, dissonant, some times melodic, kind of experimental, it's metal and evidently for meshuggah fans only And please, let's not confuse good metal musicianship with jazz, those things are totally opposite in every sense. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 18:48
| Mr. Bungle is also sorta Jazz/metal -ish. Although, they're more commonly refered to as "Funk Metal". Whatevsss |
Posted By: Lady In Black
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 18:50
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CYNIC for sure. But also Ian Gillan Band, Pestilence and Atheist!!! ------------- It's dark... I've fear... I have strong pains... A serpent is being born... That badly I did, I? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 19:03
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There's a Bill Laswell/Tony Williams project with Buckethead called Arcana (also the name of the company where I work) that fits the Jazz Metal shoe. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 17:40
| Cynic did more on one album then some artists can do in their lifetime. |
Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 17:47
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Spiral Architect is my fave from that list
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 19:28
Jazz metal ? You're kidding , right 
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 19:40
not at all -------------  |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 10:05
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Linear sphere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgY_CQaaKWo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgY_CQaaKWo
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:49
ATHEIST were a sort of progressive techno-thrash metal band who released three fantastic albums between 1989 and 1993. Their second release "Unquestionable Presence" (1991) is maybe one of the most technical albums ever recorded by an heavy-metal band. "Elements" (1993) is an incredible album, characterised by pyrotechnician fusion lashes!!!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 11:23
seconded 
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 23:29
| I don't see why Cynic is winning. Focus is the best jazz metal of all time, but I think people are not look at bands in a whole. It has only been one album. Meshuggah gets my vote. |
Posted By: ChadFromCanada
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 00:56
| maudlin for sure. I have all three of their albums reissued with the bonus tracks. So good. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 11:52
| Got to be Watchtower follow closely by Spiral Architect and Spastik Ink, trully amazing bands, they play a complex metal with jazzy influence and the result is a fantastic one, not boring just chalenging for every serious listner. |