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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Half ApplePosted By: Svetonio
Subject: Half Apple
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 08:57
An interesting young band from Turku, Finland. Their full lenght debut CD Hands That Held Up The Sky is gonna be released at 3/14/2012 http://www.myspace.com/halfapple" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/halfapple
Replies: Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 16:58
Reminds me of Moon Safari mixed with Anglagard. I'll alert the symph team.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 17:20
I guess the break from suggesting new bands is over eh?
Hey Svetonio, just like Alex mentioned in another of these threads, you could help the site out in other ways too. For example writing up the odd bio for some of the artists you've suggested. At the moment we have plenty of bands waiting to get included, so yeah by all means do take a break from these threads
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 17:23
^Big ditto on that note. And don't be so ungrateful when we're a little slow responding to your avalanche of suggestions...
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 18:22
Already checked it and posted in our thread:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
New suggestion: Half Apple, a Finnish band that sounds like Moon Safari and a wee bit of Anglagard (or some other heavier symph band).
The Sun Comes Up: More guitar based Hard Rock, this could be Heavy Prog
The Spirit of Times: Alternative Rock that turns heavier as the song advances
Flashbacks: Now I listen some Anglagard in the intro, but as the song advances returns to the Hard Rock. After the fifth minute some Crimson (Lark's Tongues in Aspic)influenced Heavy Prog.
The Pressure: Starts ELP influenced, turns to Anekdoten, despite this first part, the rest reminds me of Rush
Riverside of Youth: Honestly, reminds me of Cobain's Nirvana with some Mellotron and Howe inspired electric guitar in some passages.
Now, Presence Records who carry the band say
Half Apple is young band from Turku, Finland. The band incorporates various influences includingprogressive rock and metal, indie, post-rock and even jazz fusion into their unique sound. But still in the centre are the songs, full of positive energy.
Their own label points towards Alternative Indie with Prog, Metal and Jazz....Hardly Symphonic
Now, also checked Half Apple Official Page
Half Apple is a rock group, formed in 2004 by young and talented musicians from Turku, Finland. Bands music is a mix of indie rock, progressive rock and post-rock.
There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 22:12
Guldbamsen wrote:
I guess the break from suggesting new bands is over eh?
Hey Svetonio, just like Alex mentioned in another of these threads, you could help the site out in other ways too. For example writing up the odd bio for some of the artists you've suggested. At the moment we have plenty of bands waiting to get included, so yeah by all means do take a break from these threads
Bios? Actually, all my suggestions included myspace (bandcamp, soundcloud, etc.) links with bios.
Guldbamsen, just keep on working.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 23:01
Svetonio wrote:
There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
Have read all the posts, and except the starter, nobody knows, agrees or even cares tabout Post prog.
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
This are absurd labels that nobody will accept, mostly terms invented by some bands to capture
Prog fans that believe it has some relation with prog and
Non Prog fans who say...If it's Post Prog, it's something that is not prog.
Svetonio, when I read a band that says
Our influences are Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Kansas, Radiohead, VDGG, Focus, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Anglagard, Jethro Tull, etc or
We are a Prog band and at the same time Indie, Jazz, Hip Hop, Rap and Charleston.
We are some sort of Post Prog, Post Punk and Post Hip Hop
I doubt they are Prog at all, just trying to create such wide parameters that everybody buys an album
My opinion of course.
Iván
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 01:31
Look Svetonio.
If 3 different collabs kindly ask you to take a break from suggesting new bands, then maybe you should just do it. We can all find different bands which we deem prog and suggest them for the site, but PA tries to do its own bios, we have a voting process as well - meaning that we have to agree on what is prog. All this takes time and right now we actually have our hands full, so pretty please with sugar on top would you be so kind and stop being patronizing and take the break that we all are asking you for?
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 03:02
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
There at Prog Music Lounge subforum was an interesting thread and discussion about "post-progressive" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1
Have read all the posts, and except the starter, nobody knows, agrees or even cares tabout Post prog.
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
This are absurd labels that nobody will accept (....)
Iván
Ivan, I agreed 100% with you that "post prog" is an absurd.
But, many tags (or terms) seems as absurd too...imho, that's, for example, "baroque pop" tag.. so, we should to pray that "post prog tag" is never gonna be "usefull"
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 04:17
1 - strange fig - alternative rock
2 - the sun comes up - indie rock
3 - spirit of the times - soft rock/ crossover
not symphonic - may not be prog. Cog were proggier and they were rejected here.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 11:59
Not accepted by Symphonic.
We can't send it to another team, because we believe it's not Prog.
Iván
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 16:39
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 19:39
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
That's why I believe it's absurd
If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 19:44
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
That's why I believe it's absurd
If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván
"Post" implicates more what metal would be if it were to be extinct. It's not really meant to be taken at face value, but rather more a style that is the "barebones" of the genre.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 20:04
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
That's why I believe it's absurd
If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván
No, it just means you don't understand the application of the prefix in this context.
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 21:07
Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.
Move along.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 07 2012 at 23:00
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
That's why I believe it's absurd
If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván
No, it just means you don't understand the application of the prefix in this context.
In my humble opinion, only albums could be "post-progressive", not a genre; i.e. maybe we can call King Crimson's Discipline a "post - progressive album", or Peter Gabriel' solo debut, regarding previous works of those great artists, but we can't say that mentioned albums were moved KC and Gabriel into "post progressive genre" - simply because that genre doesn't exist.
Same as Prog Related; as a genre, Prog Related doesn't exist; yes, some of Classic Rock stars were released prog albums, but Quadrophenia was not transformed The Who from classic rock to prog rock band / genre.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 01:14
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.
Move along.
Because arguing with Iván when he's wrong is easier than trying to convince some people that the bands they suggest do not belong here?
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 09:38
Dean wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.
Move along.
Because arguing with Iván when he's wrong is easier than trying to convince some people that the bands they suggest do not belong here?
Very impartial as usual Dean
Have you checked that in the Post Prog thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1 out of 38 posts, only 4 by Adam Hunter agree with the term Post Prog and that most see the term Post in front of a musical form is absurd?
Then why am I wrong? Or better...Why is anybody wrong in an issue that is a matter of opinions?
Iván
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 11:13
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Why are we hijacking this thread to discuss meaningless things... The decision was made unanimously by the team.
Move along.
Because arguing with Iván when he's wrong is easier than trying to convince some people that the bands they suggest do not belong here?
Very impartial as usual Dean
Have you checked that in the Post Prog thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=83235&KW=post+progressive&PN=1 out of 38 posts, only 4 by Adam Hunter agree with the term Post Prog and that most see the term Post in front of a musical form is absurd?
Then why am I wrong? Or better...Why is anybody wrong in an issue that is a matter of opinions?
Iván
Because you are arguing that the prefix "post" is only applicable when the base genre is dead, and that isn't strictly accurate since the term is invariably used while the parent or prior genre is still active, nor is it valid in the general use of the prefix, for example in postmodernism and postfuturism - both created while the modernism and futurism were still extant. That is not opinion, that is merely observation.
Sure post-prog is absurd, just as new prog is absurd - these are marketing terms at best and lazy journalism at worse.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 11:31
Dean wrote:
Because you are arguing that the prefix "post" is only applicable when the base genre is dead, and that isn't strictly accurate since the term is invariably used while the parent or prior genre is still active, nor is it valid in the general use of the prefix, for example in postmodernism and postfuturism - both created while the modernism and futurism were still extant. That is not opinion, that is merely observation.
Sure post-prog is absurd, just as new prog is absurd - these are marketing terms at best and lazy journalism at worse.
So please tell me, what will we consider Post Prog?
Post 70's
Posts Neo Prog (even when Neo Prog still exists)
Post 90's Scandinavian Renaissance
Post 2000
Post Prog Metal Boom
Your perspective is one of many, I believe that the term is absurd an inaccurate, I can understand post war, post anything that has ended.
Now, the term Post Modernism for example, was created by John Watkins Chapman to break with Modernism, most precisely with impressionism, he honestly believed Modernism was dead,the wrong usage of it by many people doesn't make it correct.
Post Futurism is an absolute contradiction, but again, it's a term coined by Vivian Sobchack to split from post modernism.
All unnecessary and contradictory terms IMO.
Prog exists, it's vital today, how in hell can we say that there is something called Post Prog?
Iván
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 11:47
But as Scott said, there is a whole thread about this, why Highjack Half Apple?
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 12:06
Dean wrote:
(...) for example in postmodernism and postfuturism (...)
yeah, or transavanguardia, a term what Achile Benito Oliva (RIP) was invented for his famous painters - Clemente, Chia, Palladino... People always invented the terms! a number of terms are nice for us and widely accepted , and we like it , but some terms are really sh*tt, so we dont like it; "post progressive" term sounds not nicely for a genre, so it is an absurd without a question.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 12:38
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
Because you are arguing that the prefix "post" is only applicable when the base genre is dead, and that isn't strictly accurate since the term is invariably used while the parent or prior genre is still active, nor is it valid in the general use of the prefix, for example in postmodernism and postfuturism - both created while the modernism and futurism were still extant. That is not opinion, that is merely observation.
Sure post-prog is absurd, just as new prog is absurd - these are marketing terms at best and lazy journalism at worse.
So please tell me, what will we consider Post Prog?
Post 70's
Posts Neo Prog (even when Neo Prog still exists)
Post 90's Scandinavian Renaissance
Post 2000
Post Prog Metal Boom
Your perspective is one of many, I believe that the term is absurd an inaccurate, I can understand post war, post anything that has ended.
Now, the term Post Modernism for example, was created by John Watkins Chapman to break with Modernism, most precisely with impressionism, he honestly believed Modernism was dead,the wrong usage of it by many people doesn't make it correct.
Post Futurism is an absolute contradiction, but again, it's a term coined by Vivian Sobchack to split from post modernism.
All unnecessary and contradictory terms IMO.
Prog exists, it's vital today, how in hell can we say that there is something called Post Prog?
Iván
Why are you even arguing these points with me? I have never said Post Prog exists, I don't think it does, just as I don't think New Prog exists. HOWEVER: Once a term goes from being a decriptive adjective to a noun then all relevance to the meaning of the words is void, Progressive Rock does not progress, Symphonic Rock isn't symphonic and Arena Rock isn't exclusive to arenas ( okay one step too far), and Post-Rock, Post-Punk and Post-metal are not what comes after Rock, Punk or Metal - they are just marketing names for movements within Rock for styles or attitudes of music, nothing more, nothing less. The wrong usage of a word by many people as a name of something means diddly-squat and is perfectly correct - whether that is contradictory or unnecessary in your opinion is not relevant, it's just the name of something - my car is called a Hyundai Tiburon in the USA - guess what - it's not a shark!
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 12:49
I move that we start a post thread thread for those defunct issues we would love to re-flog to death.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 12:57
Hmm...and to think that I thought it was called Post rock because the music was immobile and didn't go anywhere like a fence post.
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 14:44
I'm gonna hijack this thread right now. New topic.
Ivan. Who the fark is in the daisy costume and where can I listen to whatever music they are playing right now?
Post whatever. Stupid. Nowadays it seems like Post implies lots of ambience, build-up, and lots of ripping off Godspeed! You Black Emperor. Except normal prog already does that, so post-prog doesnt make sense to me.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 14:48
Dean wrote:
Sure post-prog is absurd, just as new prog is absurd - these are marketing terms at best and lazy journalism at worse.
And, hell, just as prog in the first place is absurd
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 08 2012 at 17:18
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The post Prog term is absurd IMO, because it implies:
Something that comes after Prog
Then obviously is not Prog
It could also implied that Prog has ended and this comes after prog...For example, the term post war means after the war, Prog is a living genre, it still exists. I understand partially this term in the case of Punk, because the pure form of Punk ended after a couple years, but in the case of Rock and Prog, there's no logic I believe.
The problem with your theory is that post-metal is very obviously metal
That's why I believe it's absurd
If it's Post Metal, then it shouldn't be Metal
If it sounds like Metal, it can't be post metal.
Metal is not an extinct genre, so the term post is absurd
Iván
What? Rock isn't extinct an extinct genre.
NVM, should have finished reading the rest of the posts.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
okay one step too far), and Post-Rock, Post-Punk and Post-metal are not what comes after Rock, Punk or Metal - they are just marketing names for movements within Rock for styles or attitudes of music, nothing more, nothing less. The wrong usage of a word by many people as a name of something means diddly-squat and is perfectly correct - whether that is contradictory or unnecessary in your opinion is not relevant, it's just the name of something - my car is called a Hyundai Tiburon in the USA - guess what - it's not a shark!
